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calling all beings y'all

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welcome back to calling all

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beings we're ready to do it ready or not

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here we come

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with my money man upstairs

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money nathan

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what's up captain how's everybody doing

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nate i'm gonna tell you before we go to

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chris nathan's gonna give you something

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that you ain't had yet okay so if you're

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from california you haven't had

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andouille sausage you better have it now

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let's hang a left turn from nathan over

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to the associate

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producer

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of calling all beings everybody get them

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hands in the air for akashi chris

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hi guys yeah i'm so glad to be here so

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excited our guest is behind the scenes

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ladies

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he gonna wait a little bit longer

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because i got somebody else to get to

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some business oh yeah yeah and this man

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right here nathan this is kind of like

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having some sort of a secret missile

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and nobody else has this technology and

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somehow you were out there one day

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you're dressed up like indiana jones you

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got your 49er business on the pickaxe

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and all that and the spade shovel and

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you uncovered the humorous

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antagonist

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yeah that's right boom hilarious kevin

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what's up

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hello how's it going today oh man claire

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you've been on fire lately buddy the

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video is incredible

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destroying destroying and now now now

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we're about to get to it my homie my

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paisan

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okay i think this brother's from new

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york and i didn't even know but i saw a

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new york mets insignia which means that

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we down man so everybody put your hands

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together

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for the ufo

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mr joe

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hey guys

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thank you thank you for having me on and

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you can ask my name perfectly so you are

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italian yeah i am a paisan you know you

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may not know my last name but you will

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because we got some we got some business

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to cover that ain't gonna be on air well

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thanks for having me again guys i'm

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looking forward to it man great to have

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you with us yes yeah uh it's true now

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i'll go out of character joe and i'll

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i'll re i was just teaching yoga before

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this i'll go

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namaste

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um

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it's an honor to have you come on i know

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that a lot of people uh are very

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interested to have you come on the show

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uh come on their show and when you said

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yes to me i don't know if it was because

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of the ayandoli connection and there was

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sort of a marinara sauce that ran over

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me from iandolin to you but somehow it

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happened so

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um oreo sauce maybe i don't know uh

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anyway

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[Laughter]

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rails in spanish harlem baby that's

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where akashi crests dominate in that

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neighborhood anyway

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all right so uh joe

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you know the the breadth of your work is

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so vast that uh we're gonna try to

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to find some tangents that we can jump

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in on and i have no doubt about this and

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by the way our lovely uh ufo researcher

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uh a study of study of ufo uaps debs

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also known the host of deb's data dojo

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is taking care of another member of our

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community tonight because that's the

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kind of love that she has in her heart

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we're extremely proud of her she may

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join us if she gets freed up but right

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now the work she's doing is a little bit

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more important than this show um so

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anyway joe

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uh i was listening the other night

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i really was enjoying your the type of

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commentary i was ready i love to want to

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play the mystery music when i hear

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either the names dr eric davis

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when i hear my man richard dodie my

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friend when i hear any of these names

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it's like i want to hear that mystery

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music in the background but i heard you

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talk about

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that craft uh that landed in that

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person's backyard

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the beings emerged and asked to have

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their water pitcher filled

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and then offered the owner of that home

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would you assume that those are

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something like buckwheat pancakes are we

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thinking uh multi-grain uh

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maybe gluten-free buttermilk yeah like

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butter okay so butter i like i really

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so what what type of pancakes do you

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think that they were serving in there i

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mean you know they analyzed the pancakes

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and i don't remember what the analysis

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said um very basic assault remember yeah

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blueberry buckwheat yes blueberry buffy

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nathan take it away brother

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yeah no i that that's an incredible

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perfect example of absurdity in this in

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this field is like what is that what was

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that you know it's like yes

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are they using coconut oil are they

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there's a lot of questions so many

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questions we'll just leave it aside yeah

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absolutely well joe i wanted to start

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with um one just thanking you for all

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the work that you've done you know i've

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been active in uh you know kind of

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lurking in the ufo twitter community

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uh for a few years before i really

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became more prominent in it and uh you

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were like one of the first people that i

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followed and followed really closely i

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the work that you put in

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trying to get content out in a different

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format and your commentary on it to me

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was incredibly meaningful and valuable

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can't thank you enough for everything

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that you're doing i know it takes a ton

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of work to do the things that you do

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both professionally but also the work

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that you do within the community

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and then i know you've got your own show

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too i mean and your wet website there's

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just so much stuff that you're doing and

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i know how much work it takes us to do

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what we do and i just want to say a huge

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thank you uh from me and and from from

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all of us on the show

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um yeah i appreciate that thank you

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it's uh there's been you know folks i

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of a lull period that

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you know everybody's kind of been i

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guess acclimated or attuned to getting

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some some sweet nuggets here and there

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and uh for some people we kind of are in

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this if you have the sense in which we

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haven't had a really great drop in a

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little while um is that an opinion that

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you uh share or do you think that we've

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to sort of chew on in the last few weeks

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that because i'm i'm up to here with

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transcripts of things i think are

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important and one of them i've done on a

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couple of gary nolan transcripts and you

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know a couple of weeks ago most of a lot

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of people knew

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or had an opinion i knew because i had

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heard it from a really good source that

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gary was james in american cosmic

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in in that book by diana posalka in the

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beginning it talks about how james is an

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experiencer and his whole family is an

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ex are experiencers so that's a huge

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deal so two weeks ago diana came out and

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said yeah he uh gary nolan is james and

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then gary chimed in on it on twitter and

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joked around he didn't deny it so if

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you're an experiencer and i know an

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experiencer would say i don't need gary

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nolan to tell me my experiences are real

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for you to be able to point to gary

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you know a scientist at stanford and jim

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semivan who's now giving more details

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about his experience with his wife when

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he was in graduate school i mean he's

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described beings they look like the

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michelin man except they're dark it was

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like dark armor uh

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colin kelleher had an a word for them

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calling

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the bnb and i'm saying it wrong but if

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you look up michelin man you'll see in

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some of the old some of the old ads

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it'll say the name of that character um

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so those are two big pieces of

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information that have come out for the

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past two weeks and just like when videos

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came out i was like for the first time i

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could say to people they're like yeah i

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don't know about ufos i'm like well have

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you seen the new york times article did

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you see the f-18 pilots who have come

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out i was never able to do that before

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now if you're an experiencer you can say

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have you heard about gary nolan you know

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he works he works on helping solve

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cancer he's at stanford university have

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you heard about jim semivan who was high

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up in the cia um so that's a really big

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deal to me so i don't really think it's

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quiet plus we've had the other day it

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senator kirsten gillibrand

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questioning the

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she asked him about you know she asked

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him about uap and put him on the spot

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like all right well if i get if i get um

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confirmed i'll get back to you on that

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and she's like no you need to get back

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to me before you're confirmed in writing

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i want answers to my questions it's like

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where is she coming from it's like this

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is like out of nowhere so as lou has

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said and melon has chris melinda said

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her staff is amazing so somebody on her

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staff

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is interested in this subject and she

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also obviously has an interest i don't

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know what videos she was shown during

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her briefings but it's enough for these

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folks to be bringing bringing it up and

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not really batting an eye so yeah not

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slow for me

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that's awesome and there's a quick

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follow-up on that i mean because you

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brought this to mind right away did you

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think we would be talking about

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experiencers in this way so soon i think

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most folks had

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thought this would be down the road but

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we're entering into that part of the

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conversation now with with the two

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gentlemen you just mentioned

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the community that don't want to talk

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about it they think it's too soon and

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you really can't go to a senator and

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bring that up

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um but

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yeah it hasn't happened yet where it's

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spoken about you know i have not seen a

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reporter ask

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uh marco rubio or gillibrand or gallego

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what do you think about you know

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experiencers because their

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melon christopher mellon has said he

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gave them a way to enter into this by

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just talking about flight safety and

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national security so they don't even

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have to go

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down the path even even

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non-human visitors they don't even have

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to go there rubio has addressed it a

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couple of times in some interviews

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um gillibrand has kind of talked about

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and joked about it with her

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you know her kids um

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so we really haven't gone there i don't

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know if

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i would say it's being discussed yet as

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far as experiences in the mainstream but

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we'll see cnn is doing uh you know

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they're doing the documentary at the end

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of the year or towards the summer i

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don't know if they're gonna talk about

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experiences i don't know if we're there

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yet and i know a lot of experiences get

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frustrated they're like we should talk

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about it now and i'm like i agree i will

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talk about it but if i like if you sent

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me into it you have to read the room if

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you go into a certain

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senator's office and you're talking for

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the first time you're not going to bring

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up abductions obviously right um but

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there are certain people i meet

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right away they say something to me and

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i know i can go totally down the rabbit

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hole and it will not be a problem

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so it depends on who it is you know joe

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even even if if there is a staffer uh

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gillibrand has a staffer that is

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passionate about it she

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has to see it as

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if if not

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politically expedient not politically

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harmful certainly or she wouldn't be

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asking these questions in an open forum

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so she deserves a lot of credit i mean i

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i thought this was you know the musings

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of her children asking her about it

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after soccer practice which she alluded

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to herself but it's actually she has a

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deeper thought about that but with that

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uh let me pass it over to akashi chris

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mullins or let me just i'll just that's

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a great point because i do think she's

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going to use this if she runs again for

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president in 2024 if biden doesn't run

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and i think rubio will too if

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uh i don't know if he'll he'll probably

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run even if trump runs but i think rubio

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versus gillibrand trying to battle each

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other for the most important ufo ufo

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information is the best thing we could

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ask for i could top your ufo information

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right now

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we can have that in the debate nathan

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and i we could moderate that debate

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we'll do it on youtube

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it would be amazing it would be great

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all right go ahead akashi what you have

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my friend

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oh akashi is muted

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we love you akashi

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i did it again it's because i have dogs

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too joe if they go insane and i was

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trying to keep that from happening

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um yes so um i think we were gonna pass

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it on to flareus kevin first this time

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okay you know what let's we're switching

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it around you're a little late that's

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flare's on you too which is

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even better that's awesome i think that

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was intentionally rock it's a flare move

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we're rocking it i did that on purpose

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ha

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open with my silly rant okay so first of

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all i wanted to thank you for your

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efforts you're making the information

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more accessible i applaud that

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thank you so much i mean i just started

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making content and i can't

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uh yeah i can't believe how much you put

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out and where you find the time so dude

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respect

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so yeah anyway so um

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yeah so um

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um i made a graphic actually

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um nathan did you want to pull that up

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yep i was gonna

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talk about a lot of this

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so this is about basically where we're

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at right now

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um as far as

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did you push play

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yep

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okay um so this is as far okay can we go

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back sorry yep

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all right start again

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all right so this is um the ufo

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community versus the non-ufo community

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so these are the values so we had

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basically four million views versus our

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galileo project which is like 2 000

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subscribers so 3 million versus 2 000.

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all right so here we have a ufo

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um con or the ufo conference um doesn't

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look very exciting this is a comic con

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all right this looks much more exciting

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this is much more mainstream so i have

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some ideas to help bring the ufo

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community make it a little more

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mainstream okay i think we should

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make it like this so first of all we

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have a musician we have

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tom dalon he's got he's got a band blink

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182 tom where are you stop writing books

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for a minute

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we need this okay we want to see a mosh

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pit with

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all these people we want nick pope mick

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west in there all right this is this is

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going to bring us audience okay so who

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doesn't want a louis lozando tattoo all

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right let's talk to us at these

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conventions oh god all right a lou

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alexander original who wouldn't want

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that

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i mean or or a dj original too

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i totally want that yeah yes who

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wouldn't want a dj one nobody wants that

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one joe but they do

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all right so for the kids we got green

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street he's good with the kids sesame

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street green street we need a cryptid

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petting zoo

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all right got all the little cryptos

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there i think that'll bring the bring

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the kids in

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also we've got um who better to lead

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this um petting zoo than brandon fuegle

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yeah in walker ranch petting zoo right

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there and the children don't look scared

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did you notice oh no they don't they're

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having a great time so instead of pony

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rides we had our dino beaver rides

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right there

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jono beavers and um for the small small

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kids

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lose clues i think alazana would be

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great leading this

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they're blues clues

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we got our loose clues there

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all right so for the super big kids who

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are still trying to grow up and still

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have to fight a lot we got our ufo

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celebrity death match so we got

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look at that we got abby loeb versus

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oh well now we got rue elizondo versus

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the nasa guy he's getting ready to do

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his fireball

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all right man

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right well bill okay now we can

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this is where we can adopt a orb also it

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would be a cool part of it you know you

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got to wear your

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no more tin foil hats though because

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those don't protect you you've got to

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have faraday cages you got to have the

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faraday cage on your head okay so yeah

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spread the word so that's my um take on

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how to to get you know some of this out

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to the mainstream so you as a

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you as somebody who's worked in film

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what what's your take on that i mean on

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a more serious aspect how do you think

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we could bring this more to the public

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you know i mean get those four million

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views

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i know i mean there are ways to do it

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but i would not do it that way i mean

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you you create drama you create drama

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with reality shows reality shows people

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watch i mean i worked on 90 day fiance

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which is a really popular night you know

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reality show and the reason people watch

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is because it's a train wreck and it's

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drama

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um right so you know you could do that

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in the ufo field but we don't want to do

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that so

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one way

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i just think it's going to happen

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naturally naturally organically over

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time the videos are so important and and

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they took a risk getting those videos

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out i don't know exactly you know melon

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talked about how it was definitely

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bending the rules a little bit yeah but

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those videos are still if you watch the

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60 minutes australia they did a little

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series

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uh called unidentified it was just put

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up on youtube and the videos are still

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being played still being analyzed four

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years later

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so if we get one we just need one video

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that shows 90 degree turns um

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something that but i still don't know if

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that's going to make it mainstream

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because people are worried in my family

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they don't pay attention to this

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whatsoever a little bit along the way

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the past four years but recently no the

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ufo office gila brand they're from new

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york not one word from them and i've

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posted on facebook so i don't know what

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it's going to take

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it's going to have to affect their lives

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they're like listen i have bills i have

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to take care of my family i really can't

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worry about something that might happen

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so far you know nothing has happened

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maybe a mass sighting uh you know during

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the day we've had the phoenix likes but

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that was you know that was phoenix that

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was over at night it was at night you

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really couldn't see what it was so if we

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had something during the day maybe that

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would get the masses interested

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otherwise it's just going to take time i

519
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i really don't know and i've thought

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about that i'm trying to think how do we

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get the masses interested and it is

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happening but it's just slow and that's

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why i think says it's a long marathon

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we've got a long way to go yeah

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yeah we've got to change their values

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somehow we've got to get them to value

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something more than eyebrows or or

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makeup or how how much food is trendy on

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tick tock you know it's just yeah kim

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karda i bring it up king kim kardashian

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i don't know 70 80 million followers

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it's that kind of that's the kind of

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focus you know people are focused on

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that you know it's like and i've been

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part of the problem i work on reality

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shows which i'm trying to get away from

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so i've worked on some of those

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but still it's like there have been

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shows i've worked on i'm like i am going

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to help because i've worked on this

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and it was just you didn't work on

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flavor flav no i worked on life swap

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wife swap was oh

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really bad

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yeah hey joe so i got two things uh one

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thing i don't know if you know from the

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podcast world reality life's kate casey

548
00:20:03,029 --> 00:20:00,640
uh she does one of the most prolific

549
00:20:05,430 --> 00:20:03,039
reality show podcasts i had her on my

550
00:20:07,350 --> 00:20:05,440
old show before this one and she has at

551
00:20:09,029 --> 00:20:07,360
least verbally committed that she's

552
00:20:10,390 --> 00:20:09,039
going to come on calling all beings and

553
00:20:13,270 --> 00:20:10,400
she used to work in the white house i

554
00:20:15,590 --> 00:20:13,280
mean she's a brilliant lady uh and very

555
00:20:17,909 --> 00:20:15,600
very smart and funny so i hope we get

556
00:20:19,669 --> 00:20:17,919
her on i hope i hope you know fingers

557
00:20:21,510 --> 00:20:19,679
crossed on that but the second thing i

558
00:20:22,789 --> 00:20:21,520
was going to say is we've spoken about

559
00:20:25,350 --> 00:20:22,799
this at length

560
00:20:27,510 --> 00:20:25,360
i believe that if if we were to have

561
00:20:30,149 --> 00:20:27,520
irrefutable contact which is what you

562
00:20:32,950 --> 00:20:30,159
are alluding to so a major city during

563
00:20:34,870 --> 00:20:32,960
the daytime and all the news cameras all

564
00:20:37,270 --> 00:20:34,880
the trucks you know people that are in

565
00:20:39,669 --> 00:20:37,280
your business are able to get out and

566
00:20:41,909 --> 00:20:39,679
see that and view that and film that so

567
00:20:44,789 --> 00:20:41,919
now we've got fox we've got

568
00:20:47,669 --> 00:20:44,799
msnbc we have cnn we have the local news

569
00:20:49,830 --> 00:20:47,679
networks if it's irrefutable people will

570
00:20:51,669 --> 00:20:49,840
have to deal with it there's no

571
00:20:53,990 --> 00:20:51,679
the phoenix lights were easily

572
00:20:55,350 --> 00:20:54,000
dismissible this would not be in broad

573
00:20:56,870 --> 00:20:55,360
daylight would you

574
00:20:58,310 --> 00:20:56,880
agree disagree what's your thoughts i

575
00:20:59,909 --> 00:20:58,320
would agree and once and i was thinking

576
00:21:01,510 --> 00:20:59,919
about it today once the press gets a

577
00:21:03,590 --> 00:21:01,520
hold of it and people really want to

578
00:21:05,190 --> 00:21:03,600
know it's going to be non-stop shows

579
00:21:07,029 --> 00:21:05,200
non-stop

580
00:21:08,310 --> 00:21:07,039
panel shows on all those it's going to

581
00:21:11,110 --> 00:21:08,320
be it's going to be out of control and

582
00:21:12,950 --> 00:21:11,120
that's where i saw somebody today saying

583
00:21:14,870 --> 00:21:12,960
when scientists get involved and the

584
00:21:16,470 --> 00:21:14,880
mainstream gets involved ufology is kind

585
00:21:18,789 --> 00:21:16,480
of probably going to go away a little

586
00:21:20,470 --> 00:21:18,799
bit i mean i'm sure regular people

587
00:21:21,830 --> 00:21:20,480
there'll be enough people that want to

588
00:21:24,070 --> 00:21:21,840
know and they'll reach out to folks like

589
00:21:25,190 --> 00:21:24,080
us who have been at this for a long time

590
00:21:26,710 --> 00:21:25,200
um

591
00:21:28,470 --> 00:21:26,720
but it's going to take on a totally it's

592
00:21:30,149 --> 00:21:28,480
going to look really different it's it's

593
00:21:32,070 --> 00:21:30,159
really going to be amazing to see people

594
00:21:33,430 --> 00:21:32,080
debating it and you'll probably if

595
00:21:35,750 --> 00:21:33,440
they're smart they'll have the folks the

596
00:21:37,350 --> 00:21:35,760
religious folks who are on who are on

597
00:21:39,190 --> 00:21:37,360
who i think are

598
00:21:40,870 --> 00:21:39,200
the folks and we could talk about the

599
00:21:42,950 --> 00:21:40,880
folks in the air force and the folks

600
00:21:44,549 --> 00:21:42,960
little has you know who he encountered

601
00:21:45,909 --> 00:21:44,559
in the pentagon they don't want us to

602
00:21:47,029 --> 00:21:45,919
even study this because they think it's

603
00:21:49,110 --> 00:21:47,039
demonic

604
00:21:51,270 --> 00:21:49,120
so so that that whole

605
00:21:53,029 --> 00:21:51,280
that whole you want drama you can have

606
00:21:54,950 --> 00:21:53,039
panelists you know debating that issue

607
00:21:57,350 --> 00:21:54,960
back and forth which i think is a fair

608
00:21:59,430 --> 00:21:57,360
debate i mean it's part of the story you

609
00:22:01,029 --> 00:21:59,440
know that's part of why i don't think

610
00:22:02,710 --> 00:22:01,039
we've seen data from the air force

611
00:22:03,990 --> 00:22:02,720
because the higher-ups just don't want

612
00:22:06,310 --> 00:22:04,000
it out because

613
00:22:07,590 --> 00:22:06,320
they think you know

614
00:22:10,470 --> 00:22:07,600
it's demonic

615
00:22:12,390 --> 00:22:10,480
i think uh i i don't i've actually gave

616
00:22:13,909 --> 00:22:12,400
this little this little speech last week

617
00:22:15,990 --> 00:22:13,919
because we have a new chief of staff

618
00:22:17,830 --> 00:22:16,000
named charles q brown he's the first

619
00:22:19,669 --> 00:22:17,840
black chief of staff that we've ever had

620
00:22:22,149 --> 00:22:19,679
in the history of the air force

621
00:22:24,549 --> 00:22:22,159
and i don't know his particular values

622
00:22:27,430 --> 00:22:24,559
although i did get to hear him speak

623
00:22:28,310 --> 00:22:27,440
about the uh george floyd killing

624
00:22:30,310 --> 00:22:28,320
and

625
00:22:32,310 --> 00:22:30,320
i think what it has to do with is if you

626
00:22:34,870 --> 00:22:32,320
were to read and you were and i can

627
00:22:36,549 --> 00:22:34,880
probably pull this up and and send it to

628
00:22:37,430 --> 00:22:36,559
you but the mission statement of the air

629
00:22:40,070 --> 00:22:37,440
force

630
00:22:41,669 --> 00:22:40,080
and now first of all let me just say i'm

631
00:22:43,830 --> 00:22:41,679
in the camp of i don't like being

632
00:22:47,110 --> 00:22:43,840
deceived i don't like being lied to or

633
00:22:49,270 --> 00:22:47,120
bs and i know like you as a new yorker

634
00:22:50,630 --> 00:22:49,280
we don't like that nobody likes that

635
00:22:52,390 --> 00:22:50,640
and

636
00:22:54,390 --> 00:22:52,400
the fact that they

637
00:22:56,710 --> 00:22:54,400
to the extent this has happened is is a

638
00:22:59,029 --> 00:22:56,720
result of our mission statement is air

639
00:23:00,710 --> 00:22:59,039
superiority over the united states and

640
00:23:04,310 --> 00:23:00,720
projecting global

641
00:23:06,789 --> 00:23:04,320
power global air power across the world

642
00:23:08,789 --> 00:23:06,799
none of that mission statement

643
00:23:11,270 --> 00:23:08,799
includes something like i need to tell

644
00:23:12,789 --> 00:23:11,280
the people who want to know about ufos

645
00:23:15,909 --> 00:23:12,799
about ufos

646
00:23:17,990 --> 00:23:15,919
i need to do my part to the national

647
00:23:20,390 --> 00:23:18,000
command authority president joint chiefs

648
00:23:22,870 --> 00:23:20,400
of staff secretary of defense that i'm

649
00:23:25,750 --> 00:23:22,880
fulfilled my mission which is instill

650
00:23:27,909 --> 00:23:25,760
confidence in the public that we have

651
00:23:28,789 --> 00:23:27,919
control of the skies when in fact we all

652
00:23:30,870 --> 00:23:28,799
know

653
00:23:34,070 --> 00:23:30,880
they don't when those things appear

654
00:23:35,990 --> 00:23:34,080
right no i agree i don't think it's just

655
00:23:37,270 --> 00:23:36,000
the demonic angle i think what you just

656
00:23:38,870 --> 00:23:37,280
said they don't want to admit that there

657
00:23:41,110 --> 00:23:38,880
are craft here that we can do nothing

658
00:23:42,950 --> 00:23:41,120
about you know we have no control

659
00:23:45,669 --> 00:23:42,960
you know as as people say they act with

660
00:23:46,710 --> 00:23:45,679
impunity over restricted air space um

661
00:23:48,789 --> 00:23:46,720
you know they have you also have the

662
00:23:50,950 --> 00:23:48,799
technology angle if we do have this

663
00:23:52,390 --> 00:23:50,960
technology you don't want

664
00:23:53,750 --> 00:23:52,400
whether or not russia and china have it

665
00:23:55,510 --> 00:23:53,760
too you just don't want to take that

666
00:23:58,470 --> 00:23:55,520
chance so i understand that aspect of it

667
00:23:59,909 --> 00:23:58,480
so yeah it's um

668
00:24:01,669 --> 00:23:59,919
i don't know it's going to break open

669
00:24:03,110 --> 00:24:01,679
that damn i think we're in we're heading

670
00:24:04,710 --> 00:24:03,120
in the right direction but i'm not sure

671
00:24:06,149 --> 00:24:04,720
if somebody like gillibrand i don't know

672
00:24:08,149 --> 00:24:06,159
what it's going to take

673
00:24:10,230 --> 00:24:08,159
let's say they the air force people they

674
00:24:11,830 --> 00:24:10,240
do have let's say whoever's in charge of

675
00:24:14,390 --> 00:24:11,840
that data warehouse or multiple

676
00:24:15,750 --> 00:24:14,400
warehouses or special access programs i

677
00:24:17,190 --> 00:24:15,760
don't know how we're going to get access

678
00:24:18,549 --> 00:24:17,200
to that that's the biggest question i

679
00:24:20,710 --> 00:24:18,559
had that question

680
00:24:23,830 --> 00:24:20,720
22 years ago i was i was calling into a

681
00:24:25,990 --> 00:24:23,840
show 22 years ago early 2000 asking the

682
00:24:27,750 --> 00:24:26,000
same exact question it's like and we

683
00:24:29,510 --> 00:24:27,760
still i mean we're definitely making

684
00:24:32,710 --> 00:24:29,520
progress when we have crash retrieval

685
00:24:35,269 --> 00:24:32,720
language in the ndaa so that's that's a

686
00:24:36,710 --> 00:24:35,279
huge thing so it's being discussed but

687
00:24:38,870 --> 00:24:36,720
i don't know where we go from here how

688
00:24:40,549 --> 00:24:38,880
we get to that access i need to turn

689
00:24:42,789 --> 00:24:40,559
this over to nathan because it's his

690
00:24:45,110 --> 00:24:42,799
turn but i just want to say that

691
00:24:47,110 --> 00:24:45,120
if lou elizondo is the head of the

692
00:24:49,350 --> 00:24:47,120
advanced aerospace threat identification

693
00:24:52,789 --> 00:24:49,360
program was not

694
00:24:56,870 --> 00:24:52,799
read into every single program special

695
00:24:59,430 --> 00:24:56,880
access or otherwise that has either

696
00:25:01,510 --> 00:24:59,440
downed craft as richard dodie says

697
00:25:04,789 --> 00:25:01,520
biological material that was harvested

698
00:25:07,029 --> 00:25:04,799
from live and deceased beings etc then

699
00:25:09,430 --> 00:25:07,039
you know that there is a construct out

700
00:25:11,750 --> 00:25:09,440
there that is able to keep

701
00:25:13,830 --> 00:25:11,760
someone with the need to know from

702
00:25:16,230 --> 00:25:13,840
knowing so who would those people be the

703
00:25:17,909 --> 00:25:16,240
president the secretary of defense the

704
00:25:20,630 --> 00:25:17,919
joint chiefs of staff

705
00:25:22,549 --> 00:25:20,640
so that's yeah that's right well admiral

706
00:25:24,390 --> 00:25:22,559
wilson was in charge of intelligence and

707
00:25:25,990 --> 00:25:24,400
he couldn't get access to this program

708
00:25:27,510 --> 00:25:26,000
and people are like why would he think

709
00:25:29,190 --> 00:25:27,520
he would get access it was a special

710
00:25:31,510 --> 00:25:29,200
access program and he wasn't on the

711
00:25:32,950 --> 00:25:31,520
bigot list but

712
00:25:34,789 --> 00:25:32,960
if he felt like he was in charge of

713
00:25:37,110 --> 00:25:34,799
intelligence he's like this is over this

714
00:25:38,789 --> 00:25:37,120
is my purview i should have access to

715
00:25:40,789 --> 00:25:38,799
this information so it's like it was

716
00:25:42,310 --> 00:25:40,799
understandable that he actually felt

717
00:25:45,909 --> 00:25:42,320
like he should have been given access

718
00:25:49,430 --> 00:25:47,190
yeah and joe you touched on this a

719
00:25:50,870 --> 00:25:49,440
second ago and i think this is why i

720
00:25:52,950 --> 00:25:50,880
enjoy your perspective because you've

721
00:25:54,310 --> 00:25:52,960
been in this for quite a while

722
00:25:56,630 --> 00:25:54,320
um i think

723
00:25:58,230 --> 00:25:56,640
before the 2000 right you've been doing

724
00:25:59,669 --> 00:25:58,240
this since the 90s right you've been

725
00:26:01,750 --> 00:25:59,679
interested in this topic

726
00:26:03,269 --> 00:26:01,760
like 96 is when i really started getting

727
00:26:04,630 --> 00:26:03,279
into it and somebody mentioned whitley

728
00:26:06,470 --> 00:26:04,640
strieber's book to me and that was kind

729
00:26:08,630 --> 00:26:06,480
of what sent me down that rabbit hole

730
00:26:10,870 --> 00:26:08,640
amazing so i was wondering like just

731
00:26:12,950 --> 00:26:10,880
with the span of that time

732
00:26:14,950 --> 00:26:12,960
because i reflect on this myself the the

733
00:26:17,029 --> 00:26:14,960
sort of journey that people go through

734
00:26:18,470 --> 00:26:17,039
in this topic they start out kind of

735
00:26:20,310 --> 00:26:18,480
typically in a

736
00:26:22,630 --> 00:26:20,320
if you're if you're not an experiencer

737
00:26:24,310 --> 00:26:22,640
you generally start out in this

738
00:26:26,950 --> 00:26:24,320
you know interested from more of the

739
00:26:28,710 --> 00:26:26,960
science or the technology or we're not

740
00:26:30,390 --> 00:26:28,720
alone perspective and then you kind of

741
00:26:31,350 --> 00:26:30,400
go through a journey and i was wondering

742
00:26:33,590 --> 00:26:31,360
if you could

743
00:26:36,070 --> 00:26:33,600
speak to your journey a little bit i've

744
00:26:38,549 --> 00:26:36,080
in particular i've enjoyed the tweets

745
00:26:40,789 --> 00:26:38,559
in the last year from you that have i

746
00:26:42,630 --> 00:26:40,799
have noticed and maybe this is just me

747
00:26:44,310 --> 00:26:42,640
picking up on it where where it's always

748
00:26:47,510 --> 00:26:44,320
been there but i've noticed you've been

749
00:26:50,070 --> 00:26:47,520
very uh sort of much more nuanced in

750
00:26:52,070 --> 00:26:50,080
your take on what might be going on than

751
00:26:53,430 --> 00:26:52,080
uh than i remember so i just wanted you

752
00:26:56,549 --> 00:26:53,440
know kind of has it always been where

753
00:27:00,149 --> 00:26:56,559
you where you have been or have you

754
00:27:02,390 --> 00:27:00,159
have you kind of gotten there over time

755
00:27:03,669 --> 00:27:02,400
when i first started out so the reason i

756
00:27:05,590 --> 00:27:03,679
got into this

757
00:27:06,870 --> 00:27:05,600
really strong was because i wanted to

758
00:27:08,390 --> 00:27:06,880
impress

759
00:27:09,269 --> 00:27:08,400
a female

760
00:27:13,750 --> 00:27:09,279
so

761
00:27:15,750 --> 00:27:13,760
we were working for city government and

762
00:27:17,029 --> 00:27:15,760
i met her and i'm like

763
00:27:18,230 --> 00:27:17,039
started hanging out with her she's like

764
00:27:20,549 --> 00:27:18,240
we're just friends we're just friends

765
00:27:21,990 --> 00:27:20,559
and then she goes oh my my by the way my

766
00:27:24,549 --> 00:27:22,000
aunt i don't know how it came up she

767
00:27:25,909 --> 00:27:24,559
goes my man my aunt had an experience

768
00:27:28,470 --> 00:27:25,919
where

769
00:27:29,990 --> 00:27:28,480
this being was in her house next to her

770
00:27:31,510 --> 00:27:30,000
she woke up in this reclining chair and

771
00:27:33,350 --> 00:27:31,520
the being was right there i'm like what

772
00:27:34,789 --> 00:27:33,360
did it look like she's like

773
00:27:37,190 --> 00:27:34,799
the cover of that book i'm like what

774
00:27:38,630 --> 00:27:37,200
book she's like oh and she finally

775
00:27:40,789 --> 00:27:38,640
realized it was communion by whitley

776
00:27:42,470 --> 00:27:40,799
strieber so i like all right i'm gonna

777
00:27:43,909 --> 00:27:42,480
read that book so now i have something

778
00:27:46,310 --> 00:27:43,919
in common with her

779
00:27:48,389 --> 00:27:46,320
so i read the book nice didn't realize

780
00:27:49,990 --> 00:27:48,399
it was scary did not realize anything

781
00:27:52,950 --> 00:27:50,000
like it was like that and i put it down

782
00:27:54,389 --> 00:27:52,960
i'm like i'm not reading this and

783
00:27:56,070 --> 00:27:54,399
i went to sleep one night i was on the

784
00:27:57,990 --> 00:27:56,080
couch and slept on the couch i woke up

785
00:27:59,830 --> 00:27:58,000
and i could not move i was paralyzed on

786
00:28:01,350 --> 00:27:59,840
the couch so i'm like you know it's

787
00:28:03,110 --> 00:28:01,360
typical

788
00:28:05,029 --> 00:28:03,120
people say sleep paralysis other people

789
00:28:06,389 --> 00:28:05,039
say precursor to an out-of-body

790
00:28:08,149 --> 00:28:06,399
experience other people say it's an

791
00:28:09,669 --> 00:28:08,159
abduction well i just read an abduction

792
00:28:12,950 --> 00:28:09,679
book so i'm like here come the aliens to

793
00:28:14,630 --> 00:28:12,960
come take me so i was like oh my god

794
00:28:15,990 --> 00:28:14,640
so i got out i struggled out of it and

795
00:28:18,470 --> 00:28:16,000
the next day i'm like that's a sign to

796
00:28:20,230 --> 00:28:18,480
me to finish that book so i finished it

797
00:28:21,909 --> 00:28:20,240
and i finished with streeper's next book

798
00:28:24,230 --> 00:28:21,919
transformation and then breakthrough and

799
00:28:25,990 --> 00:28:24,240
i went into all these new age books

800
00:28:28,230 --> 00:28:26,000
i believed everything i read i had no

801
00:28:30,470 --> 00:28:28,240
discernment i thought disclosure was

802
00:28:33,110 --> 00:28:30,480
coming in you know it was 96 97 i

803
00:28:34,870 --> 00:28:33,120
thought disclosure was coming by 2000.

804
00:28:36,789 --> 00:28:34,880
um i worked with somebody who would

805
00:28:38,310 --> 00:28:36,799
debate me and he was really a skeptic

806
00:28:39,590 --> 00:28:38,320
and it really helped me mold my

807
00:28:41,269 --> 00:28:39,600
arguments i'm like you know what he's

808
00:28:42,710 --> 00:28:41,279
right i can't prove half the stuff i'm

809
00:28:44,950 --> 00:28:42,720
talking about none of it i can't prove

810
00:28:46,950 --> 00:28:44,960
any of it so and i became more

811
00:28:48,389 --> 00:28:46,960
conservative along the way but then i

812
00:28:51,750 --> 00:28:48,399
went back a little bit towards the other

813
00:28:53,510 --> 00:28:51,760
way i took remote viewing classes in 97

814
00:28:55,909 --> 00:28:53,520
um years a couple years after that with

815
00:28:58,070 --> 00:28:55,919
a couple of remote viewing teachers and

816
00:28:59,430 --> 00:28:58,080
and then recently a lot of my interest

817
00:29:01,110 --> 00:28:59,440
was something i didn't know i didn't

818
00:29:03,350 --> 00:29:01,120
realize there was there was a connection

819
00:29:04,950 --> 00:29:03,360
between poltergeist and ufos until eric

820
00:29:06,470 --> 00:29:04,960
davis said it on coast to coast a couple

821
00:29:08,789 --> 00:29:06,480
of years ago

822
00:29:10,389 --> 00:29:08,799
he said every ufo sightings it has

823
00:29:13,350 --> 00:29:10,399
poltergeist activity and what he meant

824
00:29:14,870 --> 00:29:13,360
was close encounters um so i didn't

825
00:29:16,389 --> 00:29:14,880
realize that and then

826
00:29:18,630 --> 00:29:16,399
hud for the skinwalker came out and the

827
00:29:20,950 --> 00:29:18,640
whole hitchhiker effect so

828
00:29:23,669 --> 00:29:20,960
that sent me that down that path and i'm

829
00:29:25,350 --> 00:29:23,679
i'm really trying to figure and i don't

830
00:29:27,269 --> 00:29:25,360
assume that i can figure anything out

831
00:29:28,870 --> 00:29:27,279
but i try to figure out

832
00:29:30,389 --> 00:29:28,880
whatever information points in a certain

833
00:29:31,990 --> 00:29:30,399
direction and try to share that maybe

834
00:29:33,269 --> 00:29:32,000
somebody else comes comes up with

835
00:29:36,230 --> 00:29:33,279
something because i do think there's a

836
00:29:38,389 --> 00:29:36,240
connection 100 between whatever that

837
00:29:40,549 --> 00:29:38,399
intelligence intelligence is that causes

838
00:29:42,070 --> 00:29:40,559
poltergeist activity they can also

839
00:29:44,149 --> 00:29:42,080
create ufo sightings i don't know if

840
00:29:46,070 --> 00:29:44,159
that's the entire answer there might be

841
00:29:48,549 --> 00:29:46,080
a totally separate intelligence

842
00:29:50,549 --> 00:29:48,559
that connects you know that is ufos and

843
00:29:53,990 --> 00:29:50,559
maybe the poltergeist intelligence can

844
00:29:55,830 --> 00:29:54,000
mimic ufos to trick us i don't know but

845
00:29:57,830 --> 00:29:55,840
the people who are

846
00:29:58,950 --> 00:29:57,840
the christians in the government and the

847
00:30:00,389 --> 00:29:58,960
air force

848
00:30:02,230 --> 00:30:00,399
in the beginning according to nick

849
00:30:05,110 --> 00:30:02,240
redfern they were they were open to

850
00:30:06,549 --> 00:30:05,120
other ideas they were like it's

851
00:30:08,870 --> 00:30:06,559
you know it's another dimension it

852
00:30:11,430 --> 00:30:08,880
wasn't strictly demons and angels it was

853
00:30:13,669 --> 00:30:11,440
more nuanced um as the years went on

854
00:30:14,950 --> 00:30:13,679
they became very strongly that it was

855
00:30:17,350 --> 00:30:14,960
just demons and the good stuff was

856
00:30:19,190 --> 00:30:17,360
angels so i'm more open to that stuff i

857
00:30:20,630 --> 00:30:19,200
mean i've read i've read in a lot of

858
00:30:22,789 --> 00:30:20,640
controversial stuff i've gotten in

859
00:30:24,310 --> 00:30:22,799
trouble just mentioning david ike's name

860
00:30:26,630 --> 00:30:24,320
on twitter because i'll get labeled as

861
00:30:28,630 --> 00:30:26,640
an anti-semite i mean and i and i've

862
00:30:29,909 --> 00:30:28,640
seen like lecture and i don't you know i

863
00:30:31,269 --> 00:30:29,919
don't really talk about him too much a

864
00:30:33,269 --> 00:30:31,279
friend of mine's like don't talk about

865
00:30:35,110 --> 00:30:33,279
him i'm like but some of the information

866
00:30:36,950 --> 00:30:35,120
that he has in there i think may be spot

867
00:30:39,110 --> 00:30:36,960
on and i've had somebody tell me

868
00:30:41,190 --> 00:30:39,120
somebody really smart saying

869
00:30:42,549 --> 00:30:41,200
a lot of his information is accurate so

870
00:30:44,310 --> 00:30:42,559
that doesn't mean it's accurate but it's

871
00:30:46,149 --> 00:30:44,320
something i pay attention to

872
00:30:47,590 --> 00:30:46,159
um so i really

873
00:30:49,669 --> 00:30:47,600
i don't know if i answered your question

874
00:30:51,750 --> 00:30:49,679
if i don't know i really you did you you

875
00:30:53,029 --> 00:30:51,760
know you told about the journey and you

876
00:30:55,750 --> 00:30:53,039
you opened my mind started to think

877
00:30:57,190 --> 00:30:55,760
about poltergeists and ufos tell me can

878
00:30:59,029 --> 00:30:57,200
you expand on that a little bit before

879
00:31:00,310 --> 00:30:59,039
we go to the next

880
00:31:02,149 --> 00:31:00,320
yeah i mean skinwalker ranch is a

881
00:31:04,710 --> 00:31:02,159
perfect example because they've sent

882
00:31:06,549 --> 00:31:04,720
five dia folks there and there's ufo

883
00:31:08,630 --> 00:31:06,559
activity at the ranch well all five of

884
00:31:09,990 --> 00:31:08,640
them went to the ranch went home

885
00:31:12,710 --> 00:31:10,000
and they started having poultry guys

886
00:31:13,750 --> 00:31:12,720
activity in their homes uh shadow beings

887
00:31:16,070 --> 00:31:13,760
um

888
00:31:18,870 --> 00:31:16,080
one lady the mother of the character

889
00:31:21,190 --> 00:31:18,880
named jonathan axelrod she saw a bipedal

890
00:31:22,789 --> 00:31:21,200
wolf staring at her during the day

891
00:31:24,230 --> 00:31:22,799
outside um

892
00:31:26,710 --> 00:31:24,240
didn't tell anybody about it and then

893
00:31:28,230 --> 00:31:26,720
her son experienced it separately it was

894
00:31:29,830 --> 00:31:28,240
uh they went in the backyard they

895
00:31:31,509 --> 00:31:29,840
checked the tree there was claw marks in

896
00:31:33,509 --> 00:31:31,519
the tree so they believed

897
00:31:34,950 --> 00:31:33,519
it was physical and then one of the kids

898
00:31:36,470 --> 00:31:34,960
friends the kid didn't tell anybody one

899
00:31:37,350 --> 00:31:36,480
of his friends experienced it so it

900
00:31:38,870 --> 00:31:37,360
seems

901
00:31:40,149 --> 00:31:38,880
the activity that the poltergeist

902
00:31:41,909 --> 00:31:40,159
activity seems to spread like a

903
00:31:43,430 --> 00:31:41,919
contagion i don't know you know it's

904
00:31:45,430 --> 00:31:43,440
called hitchhiker's where it supposedly

905
00:31:46,789 --> 00:31:45,440
attaches to you you take it home it

906
00:31:48,269 --> 00:31:46,799
wasn't just skinwalker though there was

907
00:31:50,710 --> 00:31:48,279
a case on the west coast a

908
00:31:53,190 --> 00:31:50,720
biotechnologist he was in the car with

909
00:31:55,750 --> 00:31:53,200
his daughter and driving along and she

910
00:31:57,669 --> 00:31:55,760
sees these orbs out you know just off in

911
00:31:59,190 --> 00:31:57,679
the distance two of them come into the

912
00:32:00,549 --> 00:31:59,200
car one of them goes through her

913
00:32:04,310 --> 00:32:00,559
father's shoulder

914
00:32:05,350 --> 00:32:04,320
um he gets sick with a very rare ductal

915
00:32:07,990 --> 00:32:05,360
cancer

916
00:32:10,549 --> 00:32:08,000
she goes home to the east coast

917
00:32:12,710 --> 00:32:10,559
poltergeist activity bursts out in her

918
00:32:14,389 --> 00:32:12,720
home so it's like what is that what is

919
00:32:15,909 --> 00:32:14,399
going on it's like you know one of the

920
00:32:17,750 --> 00:32:15,919
theories that's been going on for such a

921
00:32:19,509 --> 00:32:17,760
long time and i've gotten criticized for

922
00:32:21,430 --> 00:32:19,519
bringing this one up too is whatever

923
00:32:23,990 --> 00:32:21,440
this is it feeds off of negativity in

924
00:32:25,909 --> 00:32:24,000
our lives so it comes in and it and it

925
00:32:27,509 --> 00:32:25,919
focuses on families or people that have

926
00:32:29,990 --> 00:32:27,519
negativity although what i just told you

927
00:32:30,789 --> 00:32:30,000
doesn't really fit that um

928
00:32:33,590 --> 00:32:30,799
but

929
00:32:35,190 --> 00:32:33,600
the whole where was i going with that um

930
00:32:37,029 --> 00:32:35,200
people have said with the ranch if you

931
00:32:39,190 --> 00:32:37,039
brought violence if you bring an

932
00:32:40,870 --> 00:32:39,200
attitude to the ranch like uh you know

933
00:32:43,350 --> 00:32:40,880
you're bringing weaponry you're bringing

934
00:32:45,350 --> 00:32:43,360
a mind of i'm gonna take this thing on

935
00:32:47,750 --> 00:32:45,360
that it approaches you that way but if

936
00:32:49,110 --> 00:32:47,760
you sort of come with a a peaceful

937
00:32:52,470 --> 00:32:49,120
gesture of

938
00:32:55,110 --> 00:32:52,480
just you know discovery that it you know

939
00:32:57,110 --> 00:32:55,120
it doesn't attach a negativity i think

940
00:32:59,350 --> 00:32:57,120
you guys everybody in the panel's heard

941
00:33:00,710 --> 00:32:59,360
things like that have you heard that joe

942
00:33:02,549 --> 00:33:00,720
yeah i've heard the theory i've heard

943
00:33:04,230 --> 00:33:02,559
the theory um

944
00:33:06,470 --> 00:33:04,240
but then you have thomas winterton who's

945
00:33:08,630 --> 00:33:06,480
the ranch superintendent i mean he got a

946
00:33:10,630 --> 00:33:08,640
brain injury it was very serious i don't

947
00:33:11,990 --> 00:33:10,640
think from what i've seen of him he's

948
00:33:14,070 --> 00:33:12,000
not the kind of guy that had that

949
00:33:15,909 --> 00:33:14,080
attitude um

950
00:33:17,430 --> 00:33:15,919
and as far as the the hitchhiker stuff

951
00:33:18,710 --> 00:33:17,440
like i said it happened to the to the

952
00:33:20,870 --> 00:33:18,720
guy's daughter

953
00:33:22,149 --> 00:33:20,880
um you know and it ruined you know her

954
00:33:23,669 --> 00:33:22,159
roommate had to move out it was he

955
00:33:25,430 --> 00:33:23,679
couldn't take all the poltergeist

956
00:33:27,669 --> 00:33:25,440
activity yeah you know people have

957
00:33:28,789 --> 00:33:27,679
gotten sick too like i said her father

958
00:33:30,549 --> 00:33:28,799
you know went through his arm he got

959
00:33:32,070 --> 00:33:30,559
this cancer um

960
00:33:34,230 --> 00:33:32,080
had a dream that night where they said

961
00:33:36,230 --> 00:33:34,240
we're gonna fix this but

962
00:33:38,070 --> 00:33:36,240
he still got sick i mean maybe it wasn't

963
00:33:40,470 --> 00:33:38,080
as bad maybe it was because i asked

964
00:33:42,389 --> 00:33:40,480
colin kelleher i go assuming this is an

965
00:33:43,590 --> 00:33:42,399
advanced intelligence you would think at

966
00:33:45,350 --> 00:33:43,600
this point

967
00:33:47,190 --> 00:33:45,360
they would know that going through a

968
00:33:49,269 --> 00:33:47,200
human is going to cause the human to get

969
00:33:50,710 --> 00:33:49,279
sick right whether it's radiation or

970
00:33:52,710 --> 00:33:50,720
whatever they are so it's like it

971
00:33:54,389 --> 00:33:52,720
doesn't make sense to me unless somebody

972
00:33:56,549 --> 00:33:54,399
said well maybe they was like little

973
00:33:58,470 --> 00:33:56,559
kids the orbs represented some kids off

974
00:33:59,350 --> 00:33:58,480
on a little you know a little field trip

975
00:34:01,430 --> 00:33:59,360
and they didn't know what they were

976
00:34:03,430 --> 00:34:01,440
doing it's like it really a lot of it is

977
00:34:05,909 --> 00:34:03,440
really hard to figure out and he's like

978
00:34:07,750 --> 00:34:05,919
we don't think ufos are you know there's

979
00:34:09,109 --> 00:34:07,760
ill intent we just think they're bad for

980
00:34:10,710 --> 00:34:09,119
human health and maybe it's an

981
00:34:13,190 --> 00:34:10,720
intelligence that just goes about their

982
00:34:15,510 --> 00:34:13,200
business and if we get injured oh well

983
00:34:17,030 --> 00:34:15,520
yeah exactly you know

984
00:34:18,629 --> 00:34:17,040
kind of like we do with with lesser

985
00:34:19,669 --> 00:34:18,639
intelligent beings if we step on an

986
00:34:21,510 --> 00:34:19,679
anthill we're like you know we don't

987
00:34:23,190 --> 00:34:21,520
worry about it the rest of the day

988
00:34:25,510 --> 00:34:23,200
right that maybe that may be part of

989
00:34:27,030 --> 00:34:25,520
what's going on and lou has insinuated

990
00:34:29,109 --> 00:34:27,040
if that you know he's mentioned the food

991
00:34:31,589 --> 00:34:29,119
chain i'm not sure how the masses would

992
00:34:33,430 --> 00:34:31,599
be able to handle that i think we'd be

993
00:34:34,710 --> 00:34:33,440
a lot better than most people but i

994
00:34:36,389 --> 00:34:34,720
don't know if it would be you know i

995
00:34:38,470 --> 00:34:36,399
think we'd have to see how we actually

996
00:34:40,550 --> 00:34:38,480
react to it because

997
00:34:42,069 --> 00:34:40,560
i'm just hold on a second

998
00:34:44,310 --> 00:34:42,079
hey

999
00:34:45,349 --> 00:34:44,320
the dog is going crazy he's a puppy we

1000
00:34:47,909 --> 00:34:45,359
need this he's like there he's like

1001
00:34:49,829 --> 00:34:47,919
there's other guys in the house where's

1002
00:34:51,829 --> 00:34:49,839
that door

1003
00:34:53,829 --> 00:34:51,839
there's a ghost

1004
00:34:55,349 --> 00:34:53,839
he's digging he's digging into my papers

1005
00:34:56,629 --> 00:34:55,359
anyway um

1006
00:34:57,829 --> 00:34:56,639
yeah so that could be you know i don't

1007
00:34:59,030 --> 00:34:57,839
know how the masses would handle it i

1008
00:35:00,550 --> 00:34:59,040
say i would be able to handle it but

1009
00:35:02,870 --> 00:35:00,560
that's another story just like if i went

1010
00:35:04,870 --> 00:35:02,880
outside and i saw a craft you know a

1011
00:35:06,870 --> 00:35:04,880
couple of 100 feet over my head saying i

1012
00:35:08,390 --> 00:35:06,880
could handle that and seeing it are two

1013
00:35:09,750 --> 00:35:08,400
different things

1014
00:35:11,910 --> 00:35:09,760
you know i don't and i don't want i

1015
00:35:13,589 --> 00:35:11,920
always say with us with poltergeist

1016
00:35:15,829 --> 00:35:13,599
activity i don't want i don't need to

1017
00:35:18,150 --> 00:35:15,839
know i believe enough the stories are

1018
00:35:19,910 --> 00:35:18,160
similar across so many people so many

1019
00:35:21,430 --> 00:35:19,920
incredibly credible people have had the

1020
00:35:23,270 --> 00:35:21,440
experience i think it's real i just

1021
00:35:25,349 --> 00:35:23,280
don't know what it is

1022
00:35:28,550 --> 00:35:25,359
here's a very credible person akashi

1023
00:35:32,630 --> 00:35:31,109
um thank you so much joe for you know

1024
00:35:35,910 --> 00:35:32,640
first of all taking the time to be here

1025
00:35:38,550 --> 00:35:35,920
with us it's really awesome so um

1026
00:35:40,870 --> 00:35:38,560
uh so i just i'm like i'm gonna go check

1027
00:35:42,790 --> 00:35:40,880
out i've had a hell of a week and i i

1028
00:35:44,630 --> 00:35:42,800
said i'm gonna go check out you know

1029
00:35:46,550 --> 00:35:44,640
what joe's been doing you know was this

1030
00:35:49,510 --> 00:35:46,560
last video he posted

1031
00:35:51,829 --> 00:35:49,520
so i saw your thought-provoking um

1032
00:35:52,710 --> 00:35:51,839
deathbed experiences

1033
00:35:54,230 --> 00:35:52,720
and

1034
00:35:56,470 --> 00:35:54,240
i wanted to ask you about that first of

1035
00:35:58,310 --> 00:35:56,480
all on a personal level um

1036
00:36:00,310 --> 00:35:58,320
it was really interesting from a

1037
00:36:02,550 --> 00:36:00,320
synchronicity perspective

1038
00:36:04,790 --> 00:36:02,560
that this came up because i just lost my

1039
00:36:07,510 --> 00:36:04,800
mom three days ago and she basically

1040
00:36:09,750 --> 00:36:07,520
went through my soul no but i i meant to

1041
00:36:12,390 --> 00:36:09,760
tell you because it she went through my

1042
00:36:13,910 --> 00:36:12,400
soul and when i'm reading you know when

1043
00:36:17,670 --> 00:36:13,920
i was listening to you telling the

1044
00:36:20,630 --> 00:36:17,680
stories you took 50 stories of deathbed

1045
00:36:23,030 --> 00:36:20,640
experiences and and went through it and

1046
00:36:24,950 --> 00:36:23,040
and shared some of your own and some of

1047
00:36:26,630 --> 00:36:24,960
your experience at the va i want to know

1048
00:36:28,950 --> 00:36:26,640
kind of what drove you to do in that

1049
00:36:30,870 --> 00:36:28,960
piece because um thank you for doing it

1050
00:36:33,430 --> 00:36:30,880
because it spoke to me i don't know at a

1051
00:36:34,950 --> 00:36:33,440
time that i really needed it and

1052
00:36:36,310 --> 00:36:34,960
i just want to know kind of what drove

1053
00:36:38,230 --> 00:36:36,320
you to that and

1054
00:36:39,829 --> 00:36:38,240
what you think about that so i saw the

1055
00:36:42,390 --> 00:36:39,839
article yesterday and i'm reading it i'm

1056
00:36:44,390 --> 00:36:42,400
like i need to share this because i mean

1057
00:36:45,829 --> 00:36:44,400
i don't i don't like to focus just on

1058
00:36:47,430 --> 00:36:45,839
ufos although that's what i've done a

1059
00:36:49,990 --> 00:36:47,440
lot of the past four years because i

1060
00:36:51,670 --> 00:36:50,000
love the life after death subject and

1061
00:36:53,270 --> 00:36:51,680
psychic abilities and i was reading this

1062
00:36:54,390 --> 00:36:53,280
article and i'm like i can just read

1063
00:36:56,150 --> 00:36:54,400
some of these and i think a lot of

1064
00:36:57,670 --> 00:36:56,160
people will appreciate it and i'll throw

1065
00:36:59,589 --> 00:36:57,680
in some of my own personal experiences

1066
00:37:01,030 --> 00:36:59,599
when i worked at the veterans hospital

1067
00:37:03,589 --> 00:37:01,040
and i worked with people who were dying

1068
00:37:05,109 --> 00:37:03,599
and i knew they were going to die and

1069
00:37:06,550 --> 00:37:05,119
that's not something i would normally do

1070
00:37:09,109 --> 00:37:06,560
it's out of my comfort zone to just to

1071
00:37:10,069 --> 00:37:09,119
go in and meet people like that but i'm

1072
00:37:12,069 --> 00:37:10,079
like you know what i'm going to take

1073
00:37:13,670 --> 00:37:12,079
that class and i took a three-day class

1074
00:37:15,670 --> 00:37:13,680
taught by one of danny brinkley's

1075
00:37:16,790 --> 00:37:15,680
teachers and he's the guy who

1076
00:37:18,630 --> 00:37:16,800
he was the guy that was struck by

1077
00:37:20,790 --> 00:37:18,640
lightning had his near-death experience

1078
00:37:23,430 --> 00:37:20,800
um there's also a movie about him i

1079
00:37:25,670 --> 00:37:23,440
think that was made so

1080
00:37:27,510 --> 00:37:25,680
i did it and it was the best thing i've

1081
00:37:29,109 --> 00:37:27,520
ever done it's like i would you know

1082
00:37:30,470 --> 00:37:29,119
whatever problems i had in my day i

1083
00:37:32,390 --> 00:37:30,480
would go in and talk to guys who are

1084
00:37:34,150 --> 00:37:32,400
dying and they would not complain it was

1085
00:37:35,670 --> 00:37:34,160
very rare for them to complain even

1086
00:37:37,430 --> 00:37:35,680
though they were all dying and they knew

1087
00:37:40,230 --> 00:37:37,440
it um

1088
00:37:41,750 --> 00:37:40,240
and like my one story is one guy i went

1089
00:37:43,109 --> 00:37:41,760
into his room it wasn't one of the guys

1090
00:37:44,790 --> 00:37:43,119
i spent a lot of time with there were

1091
00:37:47,190 --> 00:37:44,800
three guys i spent like nine months

1092
00:37:49,109 --> 00:37:47,200
total with before they all passed on but

1093
00:37:50,790 --> 00:37:49,119
this one guy went in a new guy and he's

1094
00:37:52,710 --> 00:37:50,800
like how you doing i'm like i'm all

1095
00:37:54,470 --> 00:37:52,720
right how are you he goes not good i'm

1096
00:37:55,990 --> 00:37:54,480
like what's the matter he's like i don't

1097
00:37:56,870 --> 00:37:56,000
want to be here anymore i just want to

1098
00:37:59,670 --> 00:37:56,880
die

1099
00:38:01,109 --> 00:37:59,680
um i need he's talking to me just like

1100
00:38:02,310 --> 00:38:01,119
i'm talking to you you couldn't tell

1101
00:38:04,630 --> 00:38:02,320
there was anything wrong with him and i

1102
00:38:06,150 --> 00:38:04,640
don't know what was wrong with him so

1103
00:38:07,910 --> 00:38:06,160
you know we talked a little bit and i

1104
00:38:09,750 --> 00:38:07,920
didn't know what to say and i said i

1105
00:38:11,109 --> 00:38:09,760
just said it i hope you get what you

1106
00:38:13,270 --> 00:38:11,119
want and

1107
00:38:15,030 --> 00:38:13,280
left and then the next day or the day

1108
00:38:17,109 --> 00:38:15,040
after i talked to the nurse she's like

1109
00:38:18,550 --> 00:38:17,119
yeah he's gone he passed on

1110
00:38:20,230 --> 00:38:18,560
last night he

1111
00:38:22,150 --> 00:38:20,240
was laying in his bed i was in his room

1112
00:38:23,750 --> 00:38:22,160
he looked up at the ceiling put his both

1113
00:38:25,349 --> 00:38:23,760
arms up like that

1114
00:38:26,310 --> 00:38:25,359
put his arms down closed his eyes and

1115
00:38:27,430 --> 00:38:26,320
died

1116
00:38:29,030 --> 00:38:27,440
so it's like

1117
00:38:30,550 --> 00:38:29,040
there's so many stories like that if you

1118
00:38:32,630 --> 00:38:30,560
talk to nurses and that's what that

1119
00:38:34,710 --> 00:38:32,640
article was focused on a lot of nurses

1120
00:38:36,870 --> 00:38:34,720
and caregivers you have you hear stories

1121
00:38:39,430 --> 00:38:36,880
like that people can make themselves die

1122
00:38:41,030 --> 00:38:39,440
they can hang on um they'll see a ball

1123
00:38:42,710 --> 00:38:41,040
of light next to the bed when the person

1124
00:38:44,630 --> 00:38:42,720
passes on i don't have i don't have any

1125
00:38:48,069 --> 00:38:44,640
stories like that but i also had a dream

1126
00:38:49,910 --> 00:38:48,079
of one of the guys who had emphysema

1127
00:38:51,270 --> 00:38:49,920
went home he was some days he would be

1128
00:38:52,790 --> 00:38:51,280
good some days he couldn't talk because

1129
00:38:54,230 --> 00:38:52,800
he was out of breath but he wasn't there

1130
00:38:55,510 --> 00:38:54,240
was no signs that he was going to die

1131
00:38:57,510 --> 00:38:55,520
anytime soon even though he's in

1132
00:38:59,829 --> 00:38:57,520
palliative care six months or less to

1133
00:39:02,310 --> 00:38:59,839
live anyway so i had no inkling anything

1134
00:39:04,390 --> 00:39:02,320
was different on this day went home

1135
00:39:07,109 --> 00:39:04,400
had a dream that he died went in the

1136
00:39:09,430 --> 00:39:07,119
next day or day after and the nurse

1137
00:39:11,670 --> 00:39:09,440
stops me before i go in she's like i

1138
00:39:13,270 --> 00:39:11,680
need to talk to you i'm like frank died

1139
00:39:15,430 --> 00:39:13,280
right she's like how do you know i'm

1140
00:39:17,589 --> 00:39:15,440
like i had a dream last night that he

1141
00:39:19,190 --> 00:39:17,599
died it was really clear and she was

1142
00:39:20,470 --> 00:39:19,200
like she didn't really bat an eye

1143
00:39:21,990 --> 00:39:20,480
because they have experiences like that

1144
00:39:23,109 --> 00:39:22,000
all the time so

1145
00:39:24,390 --> 00:39:23,119
you know and i had an experience like

1146
00:39:26,630 --> 00:39:24,400
that when i was like

1147
00:39:28,390 --> 00:39:26,640
in ninth grade i dreamt of my schoolmate

1148
00:39:30,630 --> 00:39:28,400
who i had a huge crush on i dreamt that

1149
00:39:32,150 --> 00:39:30,640
her mother died just out of the blue i

1150
00:39:33,510 --> 00:39:32,160
go in the next day or day after and

1151
00:39:36,550 --> 00:39:33,520
she's like yeah i was out because my

1152
00:39:39,589 --> 00:39:36,560
mother died it's like wow oh and that as

1153
00:39:41,270 --> 00:39:39,599
as a as a 15 year old i didn't really

1154
00:39:43,510 --> 00:39:41,280
put two and two together i just thought

1155
00:39:45,030 --> 00:39:43,520
it was just a random dream but later on

1156
00:39:46,550 --> 00:39:45,040
i started getting into the subject i'm

1157
00:39:48,950 --> 00:39:46,560
like that was some sort of premonition

1158
00:39:50,550 --> 00:39:48,960
what it meant i don't know but there's

1159
00:39:53,109 --> 00:39:50,560
no way i could have possibly known her

1160
00:39:55,430 --> 00:39:53,119
mom was even sick i didn't know that 40

1161
00:39:56,950 --> 00:39:55,440
years later last year i connected with

1162
00:39:59,190 --> 00:39:56,960
her on facebook i said i need to tell

1163
00:40:00,710 --> 00:39:59,200
you a story about when we were in ninth

1164
00:40:03,190 --> 00:40:00,720
grade and she

1165
00:40:04,630 --> 00:40:03,200
she said yeah and we we talked and

1166
00:40:06,309 --> 00:40:04,640
it was pretty amazing and it turns out

1167
00:40:08,069 --> 00:40:06,319
her son lives in vegas i met her son

1168
00:40:11,430 --> 00:40:08,079
that night she's on the east coast so

1169
00:40:13,270 --> 00:40:11,440
wow it's pretty cool that's very cool so

1170
00:40:16,069 --> 00:40:13,280
yeah so in you know and a lot of the

1171
00:40:18,150 --> 00:40:16,079
stories and and one that that resonated

1172
00:40:20,230 --> 00:40:18,160
with me and i've seen it with a couple

1173
00:40:23,270 --> 00:40:20,240
of people lately in my life

1174
00:40:25,190 --> 00:40:23,280
is the the fact that they see people and

1175
00:40:26,630 --> 00:40:25,200
i know that they call it dementia but

1176
00:40:28,790 --> 00:40:26,640
there's something there's something

1177
00:40:31,430 --> 00:40:28,800
different between seeing like random

1178
00:40:34,150 --> 00:40:31,440
objects and things that don't make sense

1179
00:40:36,710 --> 00:40:34,160
and the the fact that you see your the

1180
00:40:38,870 --> 00:40:36,720
person that you love that's

1181
00:40:40,790 --> 00:40:38,880
looking behind you

1182
00:40:42,710 --> 00:40:40,800
instead of at your eyes going you know

1183
00:40:45,589 --> 00:40:42,720
and i'm like is somebody there and she

1184
00:40:48,390 --> 00:40:45,599
said yes and i mean in this in in your

1185
00:40:52,790 --> 00:40:48,400
story that you were reading that's like

1186
00:40:54,470 --> 00:40:52,800
statistically kind of a constant so yeah

1187
00:40:57,030 --> 00:40:54,480
i think people see something that we

1188
00:40:59,030 --> 00:40:57,040
don't see normally but towards the end

1189
00:41:00,150 --> 00:40:59,040
of life they're seeing it right

1190
00:41:01,589 --> 00:41:00,160
and there are people there are people

1191
00:41:03,270 --> 00:41:01,599
there's a book and i have not read the

1192
00:41:06,150 --> 00:41:03,280
book but i've skimmed through it online

1193
00:41:07,910 --> 00:41:06,160
it's called phantasms of the living um

1194
00:41:10,470 --> 00:41:07,920
and it was a science i think it was the

1195
00:41:12,230 --> 00:41:10,480
site the society for psychical research

1196
00:41:13,750 --> 00:41:12,240
i may be getting it wrong in the uk and

1197
00:41:15,349 --> 00:41:13,760
they put together a couple of the

1198
00:41:17,030 --> 00:41:15,359
scientists put together anecdotes of

1199
00:41:18,630 --> 00:41:17,040
people where they would see

1200
00:41:20,390 --> 00:41:18,640
somebody in their house and they're like

1201
00:41:21,990 --> 00:41:20,400
and they weren't always dead sometimes

1202
00:41:24,150 --> 00:41:22,000
it would be it would be a live people

1203
00:41:25,430 --> 00:41:24,160
who are still alive but

1204
00:41:26,790 --> 00:41:25,440
most of the time it was somebody who was

1205
00:41:27,750 --> 00:41:26,800
dead but they didn't know they were dead

1206
00:41:29,670 --> 00:41:27,760
at the time they're like what are you

1207
00:41:31,109 --> 00:41:29,680
doing in my house at two in the morning

1208
00:41:32,390 --> 00:41:31,119
and then three weeks later when they

1209
00:41:34,230 --> 00:41:32,400
would get the telegram because there was

1210
00:41:35,910 --> 00:41:34,240
no internet or phones they would find

1211
00:41:38,309 --> 00:41:35,920
out that person passed at that point and

1212
00:41:39,270 --> 00:41:38,319
this is case after case after case after

1213
00:41:40,630 --> 00:41:39,280
case

1214
00:41:42,309 --> 00:41:40,640
so um

1215
00:41:44,309 --> 00:41:42,319
yeah people see stuff what are they

1216
00:41:45,910 --> 00:41:44,319
seeing i don't know it's like i went

1217
00:41:47,589 --> 00:41:45,920
into some dark stuff yesterday i don't

1218
00:41:49,510 --> 00:41:47,599
know if you heard it but there was one

1219
00:41:51,990 --> 00:41:49,520
case where a woman she's like she sees

1220
00:41:54,390 --> 00:41:52,000
her husband and the nurse is like

1221
00:41:56,470 --> 00:41:54,400
oh that's great and she's like no i

1222
00:41:58,870 --> 00:41:56,480
hated my husband yeah i don't want to

1223
00:42:00,630 --> 00:41:58,880
see him that one so it's like what is

1224
00:42:02,309 --> 00:42:00,640
that is that really her husband you know

1225
00:42:03,510 --> 00:42:02,319
so

1226
00:42:05,270 --> 00:42:03,520
yeah

1227
00:42:06,470 --> 00:42:05,280
people i do think people i don't think

1228
00:42:07,910 --> 00:42:06,480
it's a hallucination i'm sure

1229
00:42:09,510 --> 00:42:07,920
hallucinations are part of that with

1230
00:42:11,750 --> 00:42:09,520
some people but these people are you

1231
00:42:14,390 --> 00:42:11,760
know it's very clear for them they're

1232
00:42:16,069 --> 00:42:14,400
um they're they're not in like a a lot

1233
00:42:17,910 --> 00:42:16,079
of them are just in a regular conscious

1234
00:42:19,190 --> 00:42:17,920
state and they see things

1235
00:42:21,430 --> 00:42:19,200
and that's like i said it's not just

1236
00:42:23,670 --> 00:42:21,440
people in the hospital

1237
00:42:26,309 --> 00:42:23,680
thank you so much joe so i'm gonna pass

1238
00:42:28,230 --> 00:42:26,319
it on to her no you this was fantastic

1239
00:42:29,750 --> 00:42:28,240
and and i'm still not done because

1240
00:42:31,030 --> 00:42:29,760
there's so many stories and i'm like i

1241
00:42:32,630 --> 00:42:31,040
want to go through all of them because

1242
00:42:34,390 --> 00:42:32,640
they were all fascinating so thank you

1243
00:42:36,309 --> 00:42:34,400
for sharing that with me and the other

1244
00:42:37,670 --> 00:42:36,319
thing you said that's very common across

1245
00:42:39,750 --> 00:42:37,680
you know people seeing things the other

1246
00:42:41,990 --> 00:42:39,760
thing is people can hold on like my mom

1247
00:42:43,270 --> 00:42:42,000
would not my mom was not passing she was

1248
00:42:44,950 --> 00:42:43,280
in hospice and were like what is she

1249
00:42:46,309 --> 00:42:44,960
holding on for

1250
00:42:47,670 --> 00:42:46,319
you know she's not even she's not

1251
00:42:49,349 --> 00:42:47,680
conscious she's just laying there every

1252
00:42:51,030 --> 00:42:49,359
day and then my father finally my

1253
00:42:53,670 --> 00:42:51,040
sisters convinced my father to whisper

1254
00:42:55,910 --> 00:42:53,680
in her and say it's okay you can go that

1255
00:42:57,510 --> 00:42:55,920
night she leaves doctor talks to us

1256
00:42:58,950 --> 00:42:57,520
right afterwards he's like we see it all

1257
00:43:01,190 --> 00:42:58,960
the time people have that ability to

1258
00:43:03,190 --> 00:43:01,200
hang on it's a really amazing you know

1259
00:43:06,069 --> 00:43:03,200
ability we have yeah

1260
00:43:07,910 --> 00:43:06,079
that that's so crazy because my my mom

1261
00:43:09,510 --> 00:43:07,920
was hanging on and i was trying to

1262
00:43:11,430 --> 00:43:09,520
figure out i kept asking her what are

1263
00:43:13,030 --> 00:43:11,440
you hanging on for it's like it's okay

1264
00:43:15,750 --> 00:43:13,040
to go because she was in so much pain

1265
00:43:17,270 --> 00:43:15,760
and wasn't speaking but then i went home

1266
00:43:18,710 --> 00:43:17,280
and it's like maybe she was just waiting

1267
00:43:21,190 --> 00:43:18,720
for me to leave

1268
00:43:22,630 --> 00:43:21,200
i came back but i cleaned up she was

1269
00:43:25,190 --> 00:43:22,640
always obsessed with

1270
00:43:27,750 --> 00:43:25,200
people looking like cleaned up i think

1271
00:43:29,750 --> 00:43:27,760
she when she saw me clean up and come

1272
00:43:32,390 --> 00:43:29,760
back and be calm and just held her hand

1273
00:43:35,270 --> 00:43:32,400
15 minutes later she launched

1274
00:43:37,589 --> 00:43:35,280
so it's their time it's their choice so

1275
00:43:39,270 --> 00:43:37,599
um anyway so i'll stop talking now and

1276
00:43:41,030 --> 00:43:39,280
go to the next person

1277
00:43:42,870 --> 00:43:41,040
so thank you so much oh good you're

1278
00:43:47,670 --> 00:43:42,880
welcome to go as much as you want i'm

1279
00:43:49,750 --> 00:43:47,680
sorry my mic is too loud so my apologies

1280
00:43:51,430 --> 00:43:49,760
it's all good my mom did the same thing

1281
00:43:53,670 --> 00:43:51,440
she had made her decision when she was

1282
00:43:55,430 --> 00:43:53,680
going she was at hospice and she just

1283
00:43:56,309 --> 00:43:55,440
pieced so

1284
00:43:57,829 --> 00:43:56,319
uh

1285
00:44:00,309 --> 00:43:57,839
mr murja

1286
00:44:01,990 --> 00:44:00,319
um there are so you know it's

1287
00:44:04,069 --> 00:44:02,000
interesting that you know we have the

1288
00:44:06,870 --> 00:44:04,079
nuts and bolts folks

1289
00:44:08,470 --> 00:44:06,880
uh i think you know you and i are both

1290
00:44:11,190 --> 00:44:08,480
in that category

1291
00:44:12,309 --> 00:44:11,200
but you alluded to earlier the amount of

1292
00:44:14,230 --> 00:44:12,319
uh

1293
00:44:15,910 --> 00:44:14,240
reading that you've done on the subject

1294
00:44:17,430 --> 00:44:15,920
that took you to a certain place and

1295
00:44:19,349 --> 00:44:17,440
then your co-worker had to bring you

1296
00:44:21,910 --> 00:44:19,359
back to reality and now you've sort of

1297
00:44:23,430 --> 00:44:21,920
find a balance but i'm curious with all

1298
00:44:24,790 --> 00:44:23,440
the different theories out there and i

1299
00:44:27,910 --> 00:44:24,800
asked this to a lot of guests because

1300
00:44:30,630 --> 00:44:27,920
i'm sort of curious what stimulates

1301
00:44:33,190 --> 00:44:30,640
people and so i think one question could

1302
00:44:35,030 --> 00:44:33,200
be is to your drive

1303
00:44:37,190 --> 00:44:35,040
but i think another question i would

1304
00:44:39,430 --> 00:44:37,200
want to ask is is

1305
00:44:41,990 --> 00:44:39,440
what do you find really fascinating of

1306
00:44:43,750 --> 00:44:42,000
the theories that are out there whether

1307
00:44:45,430 --> 00:44:43,760
that be something like

1308
00:44:46,990 --> 00:44:45,440
um

1309
00:44:50,470 --> 00:44:47,000
extraterrestrial

1310
00:44:51,750 --> 00:44:50,480
ultra-terrestrial a dna manipulation

1311
00:44:53,670 --> 00:44:51,760
um

1312
00:44:55,750 --> 00:44:53,680
something where an intelligence had

1313
00:44:58,230 --> 00:44:55,760
planted beings on this planet like what

1314
00:45:00,390 --> 00:44:58,240
is your something that really fascinates

1315
00:45:03,190 --> 00:45:00,400
you that that you've heard

1316
00:45:04,630 --> 00:45:03,200
from all your resources the one

1317
00:45:06,230 --> 00:45:04,640
sources will not

1318
00:45:08,069 --> 00:45:06,240
i'm trying to think

1319
00:45:08,870 --> 00:45:08,079
there's only one person that really gave

1320
00:45:10,630 --> 00:45:08,880
me

1321
00:45:11,990 --> 00:45:10,640
their opinion on what they thought was

1322
00:45:14,950 --> 00:45:12,000
going on and it was multiple

1323
00:45:17,030 --> 00:45:14,960
intelligences here et interdimensional

1324
00:45:18,870 --> 00:45:17,040
time travelers um

1325
00:45:20,309 --> 00:45:18,880
so nobody else everybody else is like we

1326
00:45:22,470 --> 00:45:20,319
don't know what's going on you know it's

1327
00:45:24,230 --> 00:45:22,480
only speculation and

1328
00:45:25,910 --> 00:45:24,240
you know i think eric davis in his

1329
00:45:26,870 --> 00:45:25,920
interview with stephen greenstreet said

1330
00:45:28,230 --> 00:45:26,880
you know we don't know if they're

1331
00:45:29,670 --> 00:45:28,240
extraterrestrial we don't know if

1332
00:45:31,190 --> 00:45:29,680
they're based on this planet but we do

1333
00:45:32,390 --> 00:45:31,200
know that they're using other dimensions

1334
00:45:34,550 --> 00:45:32,400
to get here

1335
00:45:36,309 --> 00:45:34,560
um

1336
00:45:37,829 --> 00:45:36,319
for me personally the one theory that

1337
00:45:39,670 --> 00:45:37,839
really stands out which is the most

1338
00:45:41,430 --> 00:45:39,680
interesting is it's one intelligence

1339
00:45:43,430 --> 00:45:41,440
able to do all of this stuff it's able

1340
00:45:45,430 --> 00:45:43,440
to mimic everything that we see which is

1341
00:45:47,430 --> 00:45:45,440
amazing to me if that's the case i don't

1342
00:45:50,230 --> 00:45:47,440
really know if that's the case but

1343
00:45:52,790 --> 00:45:50,240
um you know if it can create craft if

1344
00:45:54,630 --> 00:45:52,800
it's that advanced where i say i use an

1345
00:45:57,910 --> 00:45:54,640
example of just a super duper advanced

1346
00:45:59,030 --> 00:45:57,920
3d printer which is a really bad example

1347
00:46:01,349 --> 00:45:59,040
something creating something at the

1348
00:46:02,470 --> 00:46:01,359
atomic level whether it be a craft or a

1349
00:46:04,309 --> 00:46:02,480
being

1350
00:46:07,109 --> 00:46:04,319
um

1351
00:46:08,390 --> 00:46:07,119
or it can or it's with experiences it

1352
00:46:10,309 --> 00:46:08,400
may be

1353
00:46:12,150 --> 00:46:10,319
they're actually able to project

1354
00:46:15,030 --> 00:46:12,160
something into our consciousness into

1355
00:46:16,710 --> 00:46:15,040
our you know our perceptions where it

1356
00:46:18,870 --> 00:46:16,720
feels real but it's really not real but

1357
00:46:20,950 --> 00:46:18,880
then you have jim semivan saying him and

1358
00:46:22,390 --> 00:46:20,960
his wife were both injured i think grant

1359
00:46:24,069 --> 00:46:22,400
cameron has gone a little further in

1360
00:46:24,790 --> 00:46:24,079
saying i think his wife was cut a little

1361
00:46:26,870 --> 00:46:24,800
bit

1362
00:46:28,230 --> 00:46:26,880
um and then jim semivan said something

1363
00:46:30,390 --> 00:46:28,240
else happened to him he wouldn't say

1364
00:46:33,190 --> 00:46:30,400
what details but it wasn't his wife was

1365
00:46:34,870 --> 00:46:33,200
worse off than him um so people get hurt

1366
00:46:36,309 --> 00:46:34,880
um

1367
00:46:38,150 --> 00:46:36,319
i'm trying to think if anybody else has

1368
00:46:40,710 --> 00:46:38,160
given theories that i've that i can

1369
00:46:42,390 --> 00:46:40,720
think of um it's all across the board i

1370
00:46:44,309 --> 00:46:42,400
mean somebody said you know they thought

1371
00:46:46,150 --> 00:46:44,319
maybe it was really really dark a lot

1372
00:46:48,230 --> 00:46:46,160
darker than people realize

1373
00:46:49,670 --> 00:46:48,240
which is along the tom de long angle

1374
00:46:51,349 --> 00:46:49,680
because he's talking about how you know

1375
00:46:52,550 --> 00:46:51,359
some of the stuff kept him up at night

1376
00:46:58,630 --> 00:46:52,560
and

1377
00:47:01,030 --> 00:46:58,640
it's like everything i i talk about is

1378
00:47:02,790 --> 00:47:01,040
just speculation on that front hopefully

1379
00:47:04,309 --> 00:47:02,800
one day if we get enough people who are

1380
00:47:06,630 --> 00:47:04,319
in the conversation scientists around

1381
00:47:08,790 --> 00:47:06,640
the world psychologists sociologists

1382
00:47:10,230 --> 00:47:08,800
maybe if a group as a gatherer as a

1383
00:47:11,510 --> 00:47:10,240
group as together as a group we can

1384
00:47:13,589 --> 00:47:11,520
figure it out

1385
00:47:15,030 --> 00:47:13,599
maybe not maybe maybe whatever this is

1386
00:47:16,309 --> 00:47:15,040
doesn't want us to figure it out you

1387
00:47:18,630 --> 00:47:16,319
know i don't know i don't know if we'll

1388
00:47:20,230 --> 00:47:18,640
ever have disclosure if this whatever

1389
00:47:21,589 --> 00:47:20,240
this intelligence is may not want

1390
00:47:22,710 --> 00:47:21,599
disclosure

1391
00:47:26,390 --> 00:47:22,720
um

1392
00:47:27,670 --> 00:47:26,400
but whatever one great thing lou said

1393
00:47:29,510 --> 00:47:27,680
listen if you're if you want to talk

1394
00:47:30,950 --> 00:47:29,520
about bodies right now you know that

1395
00:47:32,630 --> 00:47:30,960
kind of thing he goes come back in five

1396
00:47:33,990 --> 00:47:32,640
years find a hobby and come back and a

1397
00:47:36,950 --> 00:47:34,000
lot of people are turned off by that

1398
00:47:39,270 --> 00:47:36,960
they're like five years go do a go have

1399
00:47:41,030 --> 00:47:39,280
a hobby what he's saying is that kind of

1400
00:47:42,950 --> 00:47:41,040
talk is not going to happen right now

1401
00:47:44,549 --> 00:47:42,960
we're not anywhere near close to that

1402
00:47:45,750 --> 00:47:44,559
you know we can talk about it but you're

1403
00:47:47,990 --> 00:47:45,760
not going to have senator senator

1404
00:47:49,589 --> 00:47:48,000
gillibrand saying by the way

1405
00:47:51,190 --> 00:47:49,599
um before you get

1406
00:47:53,430 --> 00:47:51,200
you know confirmed i want you to go

1407
00:47:55,430 --> 00:47:53,440
research the bodies that were you know

1408
00:47:56,630 --> 00:47:55,440
that were found on the craft in roswell

1409
00:47:58,630 --> 00:47:56,640
and get back to me on that that's not

1410
00:48:00,549 --> 00:47:58,640
going to happen maybe i hope i get to

1411
00:48:02,630 --> 00:48:00,559
see that in my lifetime

1412
00:48:04,390 --> 00:48:02,640
craft and bodies they wheel i've said

1413
00:48:05,750 --> 00:48:04,400
this before during a hearing they wheel

1414
00:48:07,990 --> 00:48:05,760
the craft

1415
00:48:10,870 --> 00:48:08,000
down the aisle and say here it is it's

1416
00:48:12,069 --> 00:48:10,880
intact we have it here you go world and

1417
00:48:13,410 --> 00:48:12,079
then the bodies come in the little

1418
00:48:14,630 --> 00:48:13,420
containers

1419
00:48:17,430 --> 00:48:14,640
[Laughter]

1420
00:48:20,069 --> 00:48:17,440
imagine the ratings for that oh my god i

1421
00:48:21,829 --> 00:48:20,079
mean billions i and you know what until

1422
00:48:23,190 --> 00:48:21,839
then i'm happy to speculate about it

1423
00:48:25,750 --> 00:48:23,200
because that's half of the fun of

1424
00:48:27,190 --> 00:48:25,760
talking about the phenomenon

1425
00:48:29,589 --> 00:48:27,200
just like somebody who wants to talk to

1426
00:48:32,630 --> 00:48:29,599
you about consciousness none other than

1427
00:48:35,190 --> 00:48:34,069
okay so yeah i'm going to bring it to

1428
00:48:40,069 --> 00:48:35,200
consciousness

1429
00:48:41,510 --> 00:48:40,079
big in this topic um lately

1430
00:48:42,710 --> 00:48:41,520
so um

1431
00:48:44,870 --> 00:48:42,720
so consciousness

1432
00:48:46,230 --> 00:48:44,880
it's something that it's unexplainable

1433
00:48:48,230 --> 00:48:46,240
right but it's

1434
00:48:50,549 --> 00:48:48,240
always interpreted interpersonally sort

1435
00:48:51,510 --> 00:48:50,559
of exactly kind of like the phenomenon

1436
00:48:54,309 --> 00:48:51,520
that's always interpreted

1437
00:48:56,150 --> 00:48:54,319
interpersonally so that being said

1438
00:48:59,430 --> 00:48:56,160
i was wondering if you

1439
00:49:01,270 --> 00:48:59,440
value those interpretations or

1440
00:49:03,430 --> 00:49:01,280
or do you value more the specific

1441
00:49:05,190 --> 00:49:03,440
observable and the measurable data like

1442
00:49:07,270 --> 00:49:05,200
you've got the whole other set of people

1443
00:49:10,549 --> 00:49:07,280
who just measure things and type the

1444
00:49:13,030 --> 00:49:10,559
numbers so which one do you think would

1445
00:49:15,430 --> 00:49:13,040
i guess bring us closer to understanding

1446
00:49:19,030 --> 00:49:15,440
the phenomenon you think

1447
00:49:21,109 --> 00:49:19,040
you know i i think if we focus

1448
00:49:22,710 --> 00:49:21,119
and i not me personally but

1449
00:49:25,589 --> 00:49:22,720
scientists will focus on the numbers and

1450
00:49:27,670 --> 00:49:25,599
the measurables um in my opinion once

1451
00:49:30,230 --> 00:49:27,680
people realize that something is here

1452
00:49:31,750 --> 00:49:30,240
that's not human or i don't even like

1453
00:49:33,990 --> 00:49:31,760
saying not human because if it's time

1454
00:49:36,150 --> 00:49:34,000
traveling humans that could be human

1455
00:49:37,750 --> 00:49:36,160
something not part of our society if

1456
00:49:40,470 --> 00:49:37,760
something is here

1457
00:49:42,710 --> 00:49:40,480
once people accept that i think they'll

1458
00:49:43,990 --> 00:49:42,720
say what else have we been lied to about

1459
00:49:45,109 --> 00:49:44,000
and then we go down the consciousness

1460
00:49:46,549 --> 00:49:45,119
route i'm like

1461
00:49:48,549 --> 00:49:46,559
remote viewing is real you have

1462
00:49:51,510 --> 00:49:48,559
abilities that we all have to some

1463
00:49:53,430 --> 00:49:51,520
degree you have not been told that you

1464
00:49:55,109 --> 00:49:53,440
can work on that everything like that

1465
00:49:57,589 --> 00:49:55,119
you know some people have the ability to

1466
00:49:59,829 --> 00:49:57,599
move things with their mind very little

1467
00:50:01,589 --> 00:49:59,839
um i don't think there's any macro pk

1468
00:50:02,710 --> 00:50:01,599
out there that i that i know about

1469
00:50:04,790 --> 00:50:02,720
there's so many things on the

1470
00:50:07,190 --> 00:50:04,800
consciousness level i think

1471
00:50:09,670 --> 00:50:07,200
accepting of ufos by the masses we can

1472
00:50:11,349 --> 00:50:09,680
head down the consciousness route um

1473
00:50:13,030 --> 00:50:11,359
life after death everything like that

1474
00:50:14,309 --> 00:50:13,040
out of body experiences i don't know if

1475
00:50:17,030 --> 00:50:14,319
that's gonna happen but that might

1476
00:50:19,030 --> 00:50:17,040
that's my that's my dream world where

1477
00:50:20,470 --> 00:50:19,040
that opens the door the nuts and bolts

1478
00:50:22,790 --> 00:50:20,480
opens the door to everything else and

1479
00:50:24,390 --> 00:50:22,800
then we got the multiverse and then

1480
00:50:25,990 --> 00:50:24,400
you know the guy i've been reading

1481
00:50:27,589 --> 00:50:26,000
recently paul eno he believes it's a

1482
00:50:29,109 --> 00:50:27,599
multiverse we're just inter you know

1483
00:50:30,309 --> 00:50:29,119
we're colliding with these other worlds

1484
00:50:31,990 --> 00:50:30,319
that's what you're seeing you know

1485
00:50:33,589 --> 00:50:32,000
they're kind of bleeding through into

1486
00:50:35,030 --> 00:50:33,599
our world um

1487
00:50:36,950 --> 00:50:35,040
which i think is really interesting and

1488
00:50:38,790 --> 00:50:36,960
maybe what's going on

1489
00:50:40,150 --> 00:50:38,800
i love his theory and i know i'm going

1490
00:50:43,270 --> 00:50:40,160
down a tangent a little bit but it's

1491
00:50:45,190 --> 00:50:43,280
kind of consciousness his theory is

1492
00:50:46,630 --> 00:50:45,200
you know poltergeist activity which

1493
00:50:47,990 --> 00:50:46,640
sometimes will turn very negative he

1494
00:50:49,829 --> 00:50:48,000
thinks it's parasites and he thinks

1495
00:50:51,190 --> 00:50:49,839
there's like nine types of parasites not

1496
00:50:53,190 --> 00:50:51,200
demons he's like i don't believe it's

1497
00:50:54,790 --> 00:50:53,200
that cut and dry where it's demons these

1498
00:50:56,549 --> 00:50:54,800
parasites feed off of our negative

1499
00:50:58,309 --> 00:50:56,559
energy that's just what they do

1500
00:51:00,390 --> 00:50:58,319
that's just how they survive

1501
00:51:02,309 --> 00:51:00,400
um i would i kneel i really need to

1502
00:51:05,190 --> 00:51:02,319
interview him because i think

1503
00:51:07,349 --> 00:51:05,200
i like that explanation and i've had

1504
00:51:10,549 --> 00:51:07,359
in my family one thing i've never talked

1505
00:51:13,109 --> 00:51:10,559
about i thought about today this is so

1506
00:51:14,870 --> 00:51:13,119
off topic not really not off topic so

1507
00:51:16,390 --> 00:51:14,880
when i was younger i would sleep with my

1508
00:51:17,750 --> 00:51:16,400
sisters we would sleep in my parents

1509
00:51:18,950 --> 00:51:17,760
room in the air conditioner in new york

1510
00:51:22,870 --> 00:51:18,960
because we had one room with air

1511
00:51:24,950 --> 00:51:22,880
conditioning so we'd sleep on the floor

1512
00:51:28,069 --> 00:51:24,960
and there was this one time where i

1513
00:51:29,270 --> 00:51:28,079
heard this evil maniacal laugh it was

1514
00:51:31,190 --> 00:51:29,280
audible

1515
00:51:35,109 --> 00:51:31,200
and it was like

1516
00:51:38,309 --> 00:51:36,549
you know as a kid so i look back i'm

1517
00:51:39,670 --> 00:51:38,319
like did i imagine that did i hear that

1518
00:51:41,109 --> 00:51:39,680
but there's other stuff that went on to

1519
00:51:43,670 --> 00:51:41,119
my with in my house with other family

1520
00:51:45,510 --> 00:51:43,680
members that was very negative so

1521
00:51:47,750 --> 00:51:45,520
yeah a lot of stuff going on in my house

1522
00:51:49,349 --> 00:51:47,760
um that would fall into the other world

1523
00:51:51,510 --> 00:51:49,359
other you know other consciousness we're

1524
00:51:52,630 --> 00:51:51,520
interacting with um

1525
00:51:53,490 --> 00:51:52,640
so

1526
00:51:54,870 --> 00:51:53,500
yeah um

1527
00:51:56,630 --> 00:51:54,880
[Music]

1528
00:51:58,549 --> 00:51:56,640
consciousness for me like i said i took

1529
00:52:00,630 --> 00:51:58,559
in 97 i took a remote viewing class with

1530
00:52:02,390 --> 00:52:00,640
lynn buchanan i had discovered a remote

1531
00:52:04,549 --> 00:52:02,400
viewing became obsessed with it like i

1532
00:52:05,750 --> 00:52:04,559
do with most things in my life took the

1533
00:52:07,270 --> 00:52:05,760
class

1534
00:52:09,030 --> 00:52:07,280
found out that i can do it to some

1535
00:52:11,349 --> 00:52:09,040
degree um

1536
00:52:13,510 --> 00:52:11,359
my first wife was very psychic she was

1537
00:52:15,349 --> 00:52:13,520
really good and then my second wife

1538
00:52:16,870 --> 00:52:15,359
second wife i took classes with her too

1539
00:52:19,589 --> 00:52:16,880
with prudence calabrese who was a

1540
00:52:22,390 --> 00:52:19,599
non-military remote viewer um

1541
00:52:24,230 --> 00:52:22,400
so yeah i love that stuff it's just

1542
00:52:26,150 --> 00:52:24,240
my biggest issue in this community is

1543
00:52:28,069 --> 00:52:26,160
when people say well this is what's

1544
00:52:29,670 --> 00:52:28,079
going on the grays are here the

1545
00:52:31,510 --> 00:52:29,680
reptilians are doing this it's the sixth

1546
00:52:33,109 --> 00:52:31,520
dimension that kind of stuff it turns me

1547
00:52:35,109 --> 00:52:33,119
off right away because i'm like i don't

1548
00:52:36,870 --> 00:52:35,119
know if that's true or not and everybody

1549
00:52:38,309 --> 00:52:36,880
has a different opinion and when i first

1550
00:52:40,150 --> 00:52:38,319
got into this i was reading channeled

1551
00:52:41,910 --> 00:52:40,160
books and they were all giving different

1552
00:52:44,150 --> 00:52:41,920
explanations for what's going on i'm

1553
00:52:47,670 --> 00:52:44,160
like they can't all be right they're so

1554
00:52:49,190 --> 00:52:47,680
different right um so yeah

1555
00:52:50,870 --> 00:52:49,200
consciousness

1556
00:52:53,109 --> 00:52:50,880
well you know the only thing i want to

1557
00:52:55,750 --> 00:52:53,119
push back about telekinesis on what you

1558
00:52:58,950 --> 00:52:55,760
said joe's about moving little things we

1559
00:53:00,950 --> 00:52:58,960
all saw yoda pick up the x-wing fighter

1560
00:53:04,390 --> 00:53:00,960
out of the water everybody on this panel

1561
00:53:06,230 --> 00:53:04,400
saw that right right yeah nathan's yeah

1562
00:53:08,069 --> 00:53:06,240
so i mean i think it's more than just

1563
00:53:09,510 --> 00:53:08,079
moving like the nail clipper across the

1564
00:53:11,270 --> 00:53:09,520
table so i'm

1565
00:53:12,630 --> 00:53:11,280
i would hope so maybe maybe in the

1566
00:53:15,270 --> 00:53:12,640
future we can get to that point but

1567
00:53:16,710 --> 00:53:15,280
right now it's so micro luke did it i

1568
00:53:18,230 --> 00:53:16,720
mean i don't know

1569
00:53:19,750 --> 00:53:18,240
that that missile went right through

1570
00:53:21,990 --> 00:53:19,760
maybe the message in that movie that's a

1571
00:53:23,829 --> 00:53:22,000
message how we that's that's um there

1572
00:53:25,589 --> 00:53:23,839
may be other beings who are like us in

1573
00:53:27,589 --> 00:53:25,599
this galaxy who can do that you know

1574
00:53:29,589 --> 00:53:27,599
maybe that's the message as louis said

1575
00:53:30,790 --> 00:53:29,599
he mentions consciousness he goes you

1576
00:53:32,790 --> 00:53:30,800
know it's not just humans maybe

1577
00:53:34,790 --> 00:53:32,800
consciousness is inherent to all beings

1578
00:53:36,630 --> 00:53:34,800
that we're dealing with um

1579
00:53:39,430 --> 00:53:36,640
you know he brought that up in i think

1580
00:53:42,870 --> 00:53:41,270
making contact conference over the

1581
00:53:45,990 --> 00:53:42,880
summer which the con that that

1582
00:53:47,510 --> 00:53:46,000
transcript is up on my blog and it was

1583
00:53:48,870 --> 00:53:47,520
it was one of the things he really got

1584
00:53:51,030 --> 00:53:48,880
into he was dealing with somebody who

1585
00:53:52,710 --> 00:53:51,040
channeled information um

1586
00:53:55,589 --> 00:53:52,720
i forget the guy's name

1587
00:53:56,870 --> 00:53:55,599
he deals with the i forget the title but

1588
00:53:58,309 --> 00:53:56,880
there are folks they're supposedly

1589
00:54:00,150 --> 00:53:58,319
extraterrestrial group that's trying to

1590
00:54:02,470 --> 00:54:00,160
warn us about what what's going on on

1591
00:54:03,270 --> 00:54:02,480
this planet i forget the guy's name

1592
00:54:04,790 --> 00:54:03,280
um

1593
00:54:06,870 --> 00:54:04,800
but he's saying they're saying there are

1594
00:54:08,230 --> 00:54:06,880
negative ets here that are just taking

1595
00:54:09,670 --> 00:54:08,240
advantage of us you know that's all

1596
00:54:11,030 --> 00:54:09,680
they're doing they're just mining the

1597
00:54:12,150 --> 00:54:11,040
planet for

1598
00:54:14,390 --> 00:54:12,160
for um

1599
00:54:15,270 --> 00:54:14,400
what's the word

1600
00:54:16,950 --> 00:54:15,280
loose

1601
00:54:18,069 --> 00:54:16,960
for not lose but

1602
00:54:19,990 --> 00:54:18,079
now that he didn't go that far but

1603
00:54:21,990 --> 00:54:20,000
they're mining it for um

1604
00:54:23,750 --> 00:54:22,000
not material materials biological

1605
00:54:25,829 --> 00:54:23,760
material yeah and we're part of that

1606
00:54:27,670 --> 00:54:25,839
they're you know using us but it was a

1607
00:54:29,829 --> 00:54:27,680
really great that was one of my favorite

1608
00:54:31,510 --> 00:54:29,839
events it was a multi people it was it

1609
00:54:33,349 --> 00:54:31,520
was ralph blumenthal

1610
00:54:34,950 --> 00:54:33,359
lou it was danny sheehan it was really

1611
00:54:36,630 --> 00:54:34,960
great if anybody gets a chance it's on

1612
00:54:39,030 --> 00:54:36,640
my website and i started out i think

1613
00:54:41,270 --> 00:54:39,040
lou's quote i used was um something

1614
00:54:42,390 --> 00:54:41,280
about there's a non-human being i have

1615
00:54:44,150 --> 00:54:42,400
to pull it up i could do it while you

1616
00:54:46,710 --> 00:54:44,160
guys are talking just if people want to

1617
00:54:48,630 --> 00:54:46,720
find it easier hey joe we have something

1618
00:54:49,750 --> 00:54:48,640
from jazz shaw for you at the bottom uh

1619
00:54:51,990 --> 00:54:49,760
the people

1620
00:54:54,549 --> 00:54:52,000
in charge of the secrets want to hear

1621
00:54:57,030 --> 00:54:54,559
about the things that are testable

1622
00:55:00,069 --> 00:54:57,040
documentable and repeatable we're only

1623
00:55:02,549 --> 00:55:00,079
scratching the surface of actual uap

1624
00:55:03,829 --> 00:55:02,559
they're not ready for yoda

1625
00:55:04,789 --> 00:55:03,839
what jazz

1626
00:55:07,510 --> 00:55:04,799
are you

1627
00:55:09,589 --> 00:55:07,520
i mean you could at least told me this

1628
00:55:12,950 --> 00:55:09,599
in private

1629
00:55:14,870 --> 00:55:12,960
he did it in a stupid chat

1630
00:55:17,750 --> 00:55:14,880
by the way the blog is called it's

1631
00:55:19,829 --> 00:55:17,760
probably not human elizondo blumenthal

1632
00:55:22,069 --> 00:55:19,839
and the allies of humanity that's that's

1633
00:55:24,069 --> 00:55:22,079
the uh that's the book i'm talking about

1634
00:55:26,710 --> 00:55:24,079
and the guy's name

1635
00:55:28,309 --> 00:55:26,720
is marshall summers but that says the

1636
00:55:29,190 --> 00:55:28,319
people in charge of the secrets want to

1637
00:55:30,950 --> 00:55:29,200
hear

1638
00:55:32,950 --> 00:55:30,960
is he talking about the masses or is he

1639
00:55:34,390 --> 00:55:32,960
talking about the secret keepers i'm

1640
00:55:35,430 --> 00:55:34,400
confused on that because i think the

1641
00:55:37,030 --> 00:55:35,440
masses

1642
00:55:38,789 --> 00:55:37,040
he's right

1643
00:55:40,470 --> 00:55:38,799
to get to the point where we want to go

1644
00:55:41,750 --> 00:55:40,480
we have to start off basically but like

1645
00:55:42,870 --> 00:55:41,760
i said there are some people that you

1646
00:55:44,549 --> 00:55:42,880
talk to them right away and they're like

1647
00:55:47,109 --> 00:55:44,559
oh by the way i had an experience i've

1648
00:55:49,589 --> 00:55:47,119
never told anybody anybody so once

1649
00:55:51,670 --> 00:55:49,599
people feel feel comfortable and they're

1650
00:55:53,109 --> 00:55:51,680
they're beyond feeling stigma i think

1651
00:55:56,069 --> 00:55:53,119
we'll get a lot more openness from

1652
00:55:59,829 --> 00:55:57,829
when he said i i understand what he's

1653
00:56:01,589 --> 00:55:59,839
saying when he says the people in charge

1654
00:56:03,510 --> 00:56:01,599
i believe he's talking about like the

1655
00:56:05,430 --> 00:56:03,520
senate intelligence committee the

1656
00:56:07,910 --> 00:56:05,440
special committees i think they want to

1657
00:56:10,950 --> 00:56:07,920
see things that are testable repeatable

1658
00:56:12,710 --> 00:56:10,960
documentable i think yeah i agree

1659
00:56:14,230 --> 00:56:12,720
remote viewing is testable repeatable

1660
00:56:15,589 --> 00:56:14,240
and documentable that's one thing people

1661
00:56:16,789 --> 00:56:15,599
like i'm like have you studied the

1662
00:56:19,270 --> 00:56:16,799
subject at all have you tried it

1663
00:56:21,910 --> 00:56:19,280
yourself it's repeatable it's not always

1664
00:56:23,510 --> 00:56:21,920
good sometimes the results are crap so

1665
00:56:25,190 --> 00:56:23,520
most times the results are they call

1666
00:56:27,349 --> 00:56:25,200
them eight martini results where the

1667
00:56:28,470 --> 00:56:27,359
results are so good the results were so

1668
00:56:31,030 --> 00:56:28,480
good they had to go out and have eight

1669
00:56:33,109 --> 00:56:31,040
martinis afterwards i love it nathan's

1670
00:56:34,549 --> 00:56:33,119
nathan's never gotten over seven that's

1671
00:56:38,069 --> 00:56:34,559
yeah that's

1672
00:56:43,030 --> 00:56:40,870
yeah well i mean joe to me like we're

1673
00:56:46,150 --> 00:56:43,040
we're hinting it here the fact that the

1674
00:56:47,670 --> 00:56:46,160
the very models were were applying to

1675
00:56:50,549 --> 00:56:47,680
the problem just don't seem to be

1676
00:56:52,150 --> 00:56:50,559
working because i think that

1677
00:56:54,950 --> 00:56:52,160
you know anyone that studied this

1678
00:56:56,789 --> 00:56:54,960
subject long enough will tell you

1679
00:56:59,430 --> 00:56:56,799
of the stories that we have that are

1680
00:57:01,829 --> 00:56:59,440
nuts and bolts and the personal stories

1681
00:57:04,950 --> 00:57:01,839
and the the poltergeist stories i mean

1682
00:57:06,950 --> 00:57:04,960
all of this kind of paranormality uh and

1683
00:57:08,710 --> 00:57:06,960
and then also the ufo technology i mean

1684
00:57:10,470 --> 00:57:08,720
it's all part of the picture it's it's

1685
00:57:13,190 --> 00:57:10,480
all there somehow

1686
00:57:14,630 --> 00:57:13,200
interrelated and we just don't it's like

1687
00:57:17,670 --> 00:57:14,640
we've lost

1688
00:57:20,309 --> 00:57:17,680
a a way to honor all of these kinds of

1689
00:57:21,670 --> 00:57:20,319
experiences and i think that

1690
00:57:22,789 --> 00:57:21,680
you know if i were to kind of look back

1691
00:57:26,630 --> 00:57:22,799
at history

1692
00:57:28,630 --> 00:57:26,640
uh we we can go back to where

1693
00:57:29,910 --> 00:57:28,640
it take the church in the in the middle

1694
00:57:31,990 --> 00:57:29,920
ages you know they really kind of

1695
00:57:34,470 --> 00:57:32,000
dominated the landscape and then there

1696
00:57:36,950 --> 00:57:34,480
was a high degree of you know spiritual

1697
00:57:39,190 --> 00:57:36,960
thinking and what we in sort of western

1698
00:57:41,829 --> 00:57:39,200
modernity would really attribute to like

1699
00:57:44,069 --> 00:57:41,839
a lot of mythologizing and you know sort

1700
00:57:45,990 --> 00:57:44,079
of not not scientific and then the

1701
00:57:48,230 --> 00:57:46,000
enlightenment area kind of came on the

1702
00:57:51,510 --> 00:57:48,240
scene as a repudiation

1703
00:57:53,510 --> 00:57:51,520
of that way of of of doing things and

1704
00:57:56,390 --> 00:57:53,520
enlightenment science has brought us a

1705
00:57:58,710 --> 00:57:56,400
ton of great stuff right we've we can

1706
00:58:00,549 --> 00:57:58,720
look everywhere in our lives right now

1707
00:58:01,510 --> 00:58:00,559
and say science science science science

1708
00:58:03,510 --> 00:58:01,520
thank you

1709
00:58:05,589 --> 00:58:03,520
you know but at the same time it's like

1710
00:58:08,150 --> 00:58:05,599
we have just like in our own psyches

1711
00:58:10,390 --> 00:58:08,160
where we kind of can repress uh sort of

1712
00:58:12,390 --> 00:58:10,400
aspects of ourselves and think that ah

1713
00:58:13,589 --> 00:58:12,400
you know i've pushed that down and

1714
00:58:15,589 --> 00:58:13,599
that's not i don't deal with that

1715
00:58:17,670 --> 00:58:15,599
anymore but then the truth is anyone

1716
00:58:20,309 --> 00:58:17,680
that's worked with with

1717
00:58:22,150 --> 00:58:20,319
anyone in therapy will tell you you know

1718
00:58:23,990 --> 00:58:22,160
it's all a lot you know we can kind of

1719
00:58:25,910 --> 00:58:24,000
push it down as much as we want but it's

1720
00:58:27,430 --> 00:58:25,920
gonna come back up somehow and i think

1721
00:58:28,789 --> 00:58:27,440
that's really what we're seeing here is

1722
00:58:30,069 --> 00:58:28,799
that we're seeing that

1723
00:58:31,990 --> 00:58:30,079
uh you know

1724
00:58:33,430 --> 00:58:32,000
centuries of enlightenment science and

1725
00:58:36,630 --> 00:58:33,440
and the wonderful things that has

1726
00:58:38,150 --> 00:58:36,640
brought us has also suppressed the these

1727
00:58:41,190 --> 00:58:38,160
very real

1728
00:58:43,910 --> 00:58:41,200
you know very palpable human experiences

1729
00:58:46,309 --> 00:58:43,920
and that and it has told all of humanity

1730
00:58:48,950 --> 00:58:46,319
that is just total garbage but the truth

1731
00:58:50,789 --> 00:58:48,960
is it's not there's something to all of

1732
00:58:54,150 --> 00:58:50,799
it there's some value

1733
00:58:56,470 --> 00:58:54,160
to our our mastery of our material world

1734
00:58:58,549 --> 00:58:56,480
but also these these things that we have

1735
00:59:01,109 --> 00:58:58,559
boxed into this you know sort of

1736
00:59:03,349 --> 00:59:01,119
fantastical category so i think we need

1737
00:59:05,829 --> 00:59:03,359
a new model that really gives

1738
00:59:08,470 --> 00:59:05,839
credence and value and appreciation to

1739
00:59:11,670 --> 00:59:08,480
the to the scope of these things

1740
00:59:13,829 --> 00:59:11,680
and says there is some interconnectivity

1741
00:59:15,190 --> 00:59:13,839
across these fields and and i just

1742
00:59:16,870 --> 00:59:15,200
wondered you know who

1743
00:59:18,630 --> 00:59:16,880
who you may have come across i know you

1744
00:59:20,549 --> 00:59:18,640
spent some time um it may have been a

1745
00:59:22,470 --> 00:59:20,559
couple years ago going through bill

1746
00:59:24,549 --> 00:59:22,480
bankston stuff uh you know kind of

1747
00:59:26,150 --> 00:59:24,559
looking at things from a scientific

1748
00:59:27,829 --> 00:59:26,160
perspective but that's really good kind

1749
00:59:29,109 --> 00:59:27,839
of healing so you know what what are

1750
00:59:31,109 --> 00:59:29,119
your thoughts on that what kind of

1751
00:59:33,990 --> 00:59:31,119
models could we look to to help us with

1752
00:59:35,829 --> 00:59:34,000
this remind me to bring up bankston if i

1753
00:59:37,589 --> 00:59:35,839
forget but one of the things that was

1754
00:59:39,109 --> 00:59:37,599
great about the osap program which was

1755
00:59:41,190 --> 00:59:39,119
the beginning it wasn't a tip just for

1756
00:59:44,950 --> 00:59:41,200
people who don't know it's it was 2008

1757
00:59:46,390 --> 00:59:44,960
to 2010 it was awesome and they studied

1758
00:59:47,910 --> 00:59:46,400
you know part of the part of it was

1759
00:59:49,750 --> 00:59:47,920
skinwalker ranch but they studied that

1760
00:59:51,910 --> 00:59:49,760
whole area the even you went to basin

1761
00:59:54,150 --> 00:59:51,920
and they went around and studied cases

1762
00:59:55,990 --> 00:59:54,160
and the great thing about that is you

1763
00:59:58,069 --> 00:59:56,000
know as an example people who had

1764
01:00:00,390 --> 00:59:58,079
interactions one guy was hurt by a beam

1765
01:00:02,150 --> 01:00:00,400
from a black triangle one guy had an orb

1766
01:00:03,670 --> 01:00:02,160
go through his shoulder claimed to get

1767
01:00:06,069 --> 01:00:03,680
sick well they they were able to follow

1768
01:00:08,150 --> 01:00:06,079
the guy for two years do blood work it's

1769
01:00:10,150 --> 01:00:08,160
science it's medical that was the whole

1770
01:00:11,990 --> 01:00:10,160
thing colin kelleher is like yeah there

1771
01:00:13,349 --> 01:00:12,000
are positive they focused on a lot of

1772
01:00:15,030 --> 01:00:13,359
the criticism said they focus on

1773
01:00:17,109 --> 01:00:15,040
negative cases but

1774
01:00:18,630 --> 01:00:17,119
the positive cases are not documented

1775
01:00:20,230 --> 01:00:18,640
when people said i was healed well we

1776
01:00:21,270 --> 01:00:20,240
don't have we don't have most for the

1777
01:00:23,589 --> 01:00:21,280
most part we don't have medical

1778
01:00:25,270 --> 01:00:23,599
documentation for the asap program they

1779
01:00:27,750 --> 01:00:25,280
did they had two medical doctors on

1780
01:00:29,430 --> 01:00:27,760
staff they did scientific tests they did

1781
01:00:32,309 --> 01:00:29,440
blood work it was a great way to

1782
01:00:33,910 --> 01:00:32,319
document things and with the ndaa and

1783
01:00:35,829 --> 01:00:33,920
the gillibrand language if they go

1784
01:00:37,750 --> 01:00:35,839
investigate a case

1785
01:00:38,870 --> 01:00:37,760
and people had close encounters and they

1786
01:00:41,510 --> 01:00:38,880
stay with those people and they

1787
01:00:43,190 --> 01:00:41,520
investigate it they're going to get guys

1788
01:00:44,870 --> 01:00:43,200
they're going to get poltergeist reports

1789
01:00:46,230 --> 01:00:44,880
if those people feel feel comfortable

1790
01:00:47,430 --> 01:00:46,240
enough it's going to come out that's

1791
01:00:50,630 --> 01:00:47,440
what's great about the gila brand

1792
01:00:53,030 --> 01:00:50,640
language bill bankston has done study

1793
01:00:54,630 --> 01:00:53,040
after study after study with mice and

1794
01:00:56,549 --> 01:00:54,640
not all of them are the same exact

1795
01:00:57,670 --> 01:00:56,559
cancer but they inject and i know a lot

1796
01:00:59,270 --> 01:00:57,680
of people who are animal rights

1797
01:01:01,430 --> 01:00:59,280
activists i love it i don't like that

1798
01:01:03,109 --> 01:01:01,440
they're doing mice but they inject mice

1799
01:01:05,190 --> 01:01:03,119
with mammary cancer

1800
01:01:06,789 --> 01:01:05,200
the mice will live without any

1801
01:01:08,950 --> 01:01:06,799
interference any drugs or anything

1802
01:01:10,710 --> 01:01:08,960
they'll live a total 27 days well

1803
01:01:12,549 --> 01:01:10,720
bankston has a method

1804
01:01:14,150 --> 01:01:12,559
that he learned from a psychic it's his

1805
01:01:16,470 --> 01:01:14,160
books are great and he's so down to

1806
01:01:18,150 --> 01:01:16,480
earth he's so scientific he's like i

1807
01:01:19,109 --> 01:01:18,160
learned the method we tried it on the

1808
01:01:22,549 --> 01:01:19,119
mice

1809
01:01:24,230 --> 01:01:22,559
studies lived their full lifespan of two

1810
01:01:26,069 --> 01:01:24,240
years that should not happen and he's

1811
01:01:27,910 --> 01:01:26,079
like if anybody sees a problem with any

1812
01:01:29,510 --> 01:01:27,920
and he's published his reports he goes

1813
01:01:31,430 --> 01:01:29,520
if anybody sees a problem with my

1814
01:01:33,430 --> 01:01:31,440
experiments is there any thing i'm doing

1815
01:01:36,230 --> 01:01:33,440
wrong feel free to bring it up and we'll

1816
01:01:37,510 --> 01:01:36,240
correct it so far nobody has um nobody

1817
01:01:39,109 --> 01:01:37,520
has replicated it's very hard to

1818
01:01:41,030 --> 01:01:39,119
replicate right now because with mice

1819
01:01:43,030 --> 01:01:41,040
it's really hard in the united states

1820
01:01:44,950 --> 01:01:43,040
because of animal rights activists um so

1821
01:01:47,190 --> 01:01:44,960
i think he's moved to china to do his

1822
01:01:48,630 --> 01:01:47,200
latest study but over and over and over

1823
01:01:50,710 --> 01:01:48,640
again his method

1824
01:01:53,030 --> 01:01:50,720
is curing mice he also did it on humans

1825
01:01:54,710 --> 01:01:53,040
but humans if somebody is cured by

1826
01:01:57,190 --> 01:01:54,720
cancer and they went to benson or one of

1827
01:01:59,430 --> 01:01:57,200
his healers you could always say well

1828
01:02:01,109 --> 01:01:59,440
maybe their diet changed and that's what

1829
01:02:03,029 --> 01:02:01,119
cured their cancer maybe something else

1830
01:02:05,029 --> 01:02:03,039
in their life cured their cancer with

1831
01:02:07,750 --> 01:02:05,039
mice you know

1832
01:02:09,910 --> 01:02:07,760
inject the cancer 27 days they're dead

1833
01:02:12,069 --> 01:02:09,920
if not something's going on for them to

1834
01:02:14,390 --> 01:02:12,079
live their entire life spans something's

1835
01:02:16,630 --> 01:02:14,400
going on and bankston will say that's

1836
01:02:19,190 --> 01:02:16,640
interesting they can take the mice

1837
01:02:21,510 --> 01:02:19,200
who was healed inject take blood from

1838
01:02:23,109 --> 01:02:21,520
that mouse inject it into another mouse

1839
01:02:25,349 --> 01:02:23,119
who has cancer in them and that mouse

1840
01:02:27,029 --> 01:02:25,359
will will heal um

1841
01:02:29,190 --> 01:02:27,039
and they'll be immune from from cancer

1842
01:02:30,870 --> 01:02:29,200
their entire lives

1843
01:02:32,870 --> 01:02:30,880
the latest thing that benson is doing

1844
01:02:34,549 --> 01:02:32,880
with dean raiden and some other folks is

1845
01:02:36,150 --> 01:02:34,559
they're trying to record it so

1846
01:02:37,270 --> 01:02:36,160
whatever's going on in that room they

1847
01:02:39,029 --> 01:02:37,280
have all these different instruments

1848
01:02:41,029 --> 01:02:39,039
they're trying to record it to see if

1849
01:02:42,789 --> 01:02:41,039
they just play it back if it'll create

1850
01:02:44,549 --> 01:02:42,799
healing in the mice this way he goes we

1851
01:02:46,309 --> 01:02:44,559
can just upload it to the cloud and just

1852
01:02:47,910 --> 01:02:46,319
share it with the world which would be

1853
01:02:50,710 --> 01:02:47,920
amazing and he said we're starting to

1854
01:02:51,910 --> 01:02:50,720
see effects but it's not as strong as if

1855
01:02:53,829 --> 01:02:51,920
the people who are sitting there with

1856
01:02:55,829 --> 01:02:53,839
their hands over the mice and

1857
01:02:57,910 --> 01:02:55,839
the technique if you want to go on the

1858
01:02:59,349 --> 01:02:57,920
technique is really basic it's not easy

1859
01:03:01,430 --> 01:02:59,359
to do but it's really basic it's

1860
01:03:02,950 --> 01:03:01,440
basically

1861
01:03:05,109 --> 01:03:02,960
uh we won't i don't know if we have time

1862
01:03:07,270 --> 01:03:05,119
to get into the technique but

1863
01:03:09,109 --> 01:03:07,280
i took his class it's kind of like and

1864
01:03:10,470 --> 01:03:09,119
you have to really be open-minded

1865
01:03:11,589 --> 01:03:10,480
although with the science part of it

1866
01:03:13,270 --> 01:03:11,599
with the mice you don't have to be

1867
01:03:15,510 --> 01:03:13,280
open-minded here are the studies here

1868
01:03:17,589 --> 01:03:15,520
are the results here are the experiments

1869
01:03:18,710 --> 01:03:17,599
peer-reviewed we publish these papers

1870
01:03:21,109 --> 01:03:18,720
you don't have doesn't matter if you're

1871
01:03:22,549 --> 01:03:21,119
open-minded and also the people who he

1872
01:03:24,470 --> 01:03:22,559
got to be healers the people of the

1873
01:03:25,910 --> 01:03:24,480
students at the schools he didn't want

1874
01:03:27,670 --> 01:03:25,920
believers he didn't want to but he

1875
01:03:29,510 --> 01:03:27,680
wanted people who are like

1876
01:03:31,270 --> 01:03:29,520
yeah maybe i don't really believe in

1877
01:03:33,029 --> 01:03:31,280
this but you know let's try it those are

1878
01:03:34,470 --> 01:03:33,039
the people he wanted if they were people

1879
01:03:36,710 --> 01:03:34,480
who were like oh yeah i believe in

1880
01:03:40,630 --> 01:03:36,720
healing 100 he's like nope don't want

1881
01:03:42,789 --> 01:03:40,640
you um but the method is basically

1882
01:03:45,029 --> 01:03:42,799
you would it's a it's a manifesting

1883
01:03:47,270 --> 01:03:45,039
method you you create 20 images in your

1884
01:03:48,710 --> 01:03:47,280
life in your mind that you want

1885
01:03:50,710 --> 01:03:48,720
to achieve in your life if you have a

1886
01:03:52,470 --> 01:03:50,720
broken leg you know and you want to be

1887
01:03:54,230 --> 01:03:52,480
playing tennis you you imagine yourself

1888
01:03:55,990 --> 01:03:54,240
playing tennis you go through you pick

1889
01:03:57,670 --> 01:03:56,000
20 of those and you cycle through them

1890
01:03:59,829 --> 01:03:57,680
as fast as you possibly can until it

1891
01:04:01,589 --> 01:03:59,839
becomes a blur that's it

1892
01:04:02,950 --> 01:04:01,599
that's it that that's his technique that

1893
01:04:04,710 --> 01:04:02,960
he uses and he teaches it to the

1894
01:04:06,950 --> 01:04:04,720
students and they just sit there for an

1895
01:04:08,950 --> 01:04:06,960
hour a day over the mice for some reason

1896
01:04:11,349 --> 01:04:08,960
the mice gravitate towards the left hand

1897
01:04:13,190 --> 01:04:11,359
don't know why but he has pictures there

1898
01:04:15,109 --> 01:04:13,200
they all go over to the left side of the

1899
01:04:16,870 --> 01:04:15,119
cage um

1900
01:04:17,910 --> 01:04:16,880
he's and i spoke to somebody privately

1901
01:04:19,029 --> 01:04:17,920
and i'm like what do you think about

1902
01:04:20,870 --> 01:04:19,039
this he's like

1903
01:04:22,390 --> 01:04:20,880
every scientist should try to replicate

1904
01:04:23,990 --> 01:04:22,400
this it's one of the most important

1905
01:04:26,150 --> 01:04:24,000
studies we have to be able to replicate

1906
01:04:27,910 --> 01:04:26,160
it because if it's true it's huge

1907
01:04:30,230 --> 01:04:27,920
especially with cancer

1908
01:04:32,470 --> 01:04:30,240
my mom passive cancer if we can cure

1909
01:04:33,990 --> 01:04:32,480
people of cancer you know it's right now

1910
01:04:35,829 --> 01:04:34,000
a little more important than ufos as

1911
01:04:38,549 --> 01:04:35,839
much as i love ufos

1912
01:04:40,390 --> 01:04:38,559
cancer is a big deal but i i have a hard

1913
01:04:42,069 --> 01:04:40,400
time getting the ufo community

1914
01:04:43,750 --> 01:04:42,079
interested in anything bill bankston

1915
01:04:45,109 --> 01:04:43,760
does and he's the head i think he's the

1916
01:04:49,190 --> 01:04:45,119
president of the

1917
01:04:50,789 --> 01:04:49,200
society for scientific exploration um

1918
01:04:52,549 --> 01:04:50,799
really really great guy if you watch his

1919
01:04:53,750 --> 01:04:52,559
interviews on youtube you'll see the guy

1920
01:04:55,910 --> 01:04:53,760
is like

1921
01:04:57,910 --> 01:04:55,920
he's he's like my perfect example of an

1922
01:04:59,430 --> 01:04:57,920
open-minded scientist

1923
01:05:00,950 --> 01:04:59,440
hopefully and i will hopefully interview

1924
01:05:02,630 --> 01:05:00,960
him in the near future and people can

1925
01:05:04,230 --> 01:05:02,640
ask questions people want to be

1926
01:05:06,309 --> 01:05:04,240
skeptical he doesn't get offended ever

1927
01:05:08,470 --> 01:05:06,319
he doesn't get offended whatsoever

1928
01:05:10,549 --> 01:05:08,480
but he doesn't have some conscious

1929
01:05:12,069 --> 01:05:10,559
he does have some stories in that book

1930
01:05:13,589 --> 01:05:12,079
very little a couple of them and then

1931
01:05:15,029 --> 01:05:13,599
but they're really

1932
01:05:17,750 --> 01:05:15,039
what really make you question what's

1933
01:05:19,510 --> 01:05:17,760
going on in our world

1934
01:05:20,789 --> 01:05:19,520
yeah if you can give me his number after

1935
01:05:23,190 --> 01:05:20,799
the show i'm probably going to give him

1936
01:05:25,029 --> 01:05:23,200
a call just in case i'm not i don't have

1937
01:05:26,950 --> 01:05:25,039
it right now but you never know and we

1938
01:05:28,710 --> 01:05:26,960
just need to make sure we get the links

1939
01:05:31,349 --> 01:05:28,720
to the books and stuff because

1940
01:05:33,510 --> 01:05:31,359
everybody's asking on chat

1941
01:05:34,789 --> 01:05:33,520
his book is so his one book is an audio

1942
01:05:36,230 --> 01:05:34,799
book where he just

1943
01:05:38,150 --> 01:05:36,240
goes through the story he's not he's

1944
01:05:39,670 --> 01:05:38,160
obviously not reading and it's just

1945
01:05:41,029 --> 01:05:39,680
great it's one of my favorite audiobooks

1946
01:05:42,950 --> 01:05:41,039
of all time and he just tells the story

1947
01:05:44,470 --> 01:05:42,960
of how it happened in the beginning and

1948
01:05:46,230 --> 01:05:44,480
how this psychic taught him this and how

1949
01:05:48,069 --> 01:05:46,240
the psyche got a big head and just left

1950
01:05:49,270 --> 01:05:48,079
and he was stuck doing it himself and

1951
01:05:50,789 --> 01:05:49,280
the psychic was supposed to do the

1952
01:05:52,230 --> 01:05:50,799
healing in the first experiment and he

1953
01:05:54,150 --> 01:05:52,240
left right before the experiment they

1954
01:05:55,349 --> 01:05:54,160
had everything set up in a college so

1955
01:05:57,190 --> 01:05:55,359
the guy's like you're gonna have to do

1956
01:05:58,950 --> 01:05:57,200
the healing and benson's like i'm not a

1957
01:05:59,910 --> 01:05:58,960
healer like well you're gonna have to do

1958
01:06:03,270 --> 01:05:59,920
it

1959
01:06:04,870 --> 01:06:03,280
days in he's like look at the mice

1960
01:06:06,309 --> 01:06:04,880
they're dying please let's stop this

1961
01:06:07,750 --> 01:06:06,319
let's put the mice out of their misery

1962
01:06:10,230 --> 01:06:07,760
they're like no keep doing it keep doing

1963
01:06:12,470 --> 01:06:10,240
it sure enough the tumor got bigger

1964
01:06:13,990 --> 01:06:12,480
imploded mice got better

1965
01:06:15,990 --> 01:06:14,000
it's really great stuff people need to

1966
01:06:18,309 --> 01:06:16,000
check it out and it also deals with the

1967
01:06:19,829 --> 01:06:18,319
placebo effect which might not be

1968
01:06:22,230 --> 01:06:19,839
exactly what we think it is it might be

1969
01:06:23,829 --> 01:06:22,240
some sort of connection between us or

1970
01:06:25,750 --> 01:06:23,839
between us and their mice between us as

1971
01:06:28,150 --> 01:06:25,760
human beings there may be something that

1972
01:06:30,549 --> 01:06:28,160
connects us together i think it's called

1973
01:06:31,750 --> 01:06:30,559
i think rupert sheldrick yeah epigenetic

1974
01:06:33,029 --> 01:06:31,760
fields

1975
01:06:34,069 --> 01:06:33,039
but there's another word he comes up

1976
01:06:36,789 --> 01:06:34,079
with it i don't know what it's called

1977
01:06:39,190 --> 01:06:36,799
now i'm rambling

1978
01:06:41,029 --> 01:06:39,200
um i have one yeah you're not you know

1979
01:06:43,829 --> 01:06:41,039
lord i was born a rambling man joe

1980
01:06:45,510 --> 01:06:43,839
merger so i can i can relate paisan are

1981
01:06:47,589 --> 01:06:45,520
you from new york

1982
01:06:50,069 --> 01:06:47,599
i grew up in long island and then i met

1983
01:06:52,470 --> 01:06:50,079
my second wife

1984
01:06:54,549 --> 01:06:52,480
who still lives with me um

1985
01:06:56,150 --> 01:06:54,559
in queens so we lived in queens flushing

1986
01:06:57,190 --> 01:06:56,160
and then came out to california and then

1987
01:06:59,270 --> 01:06:57,200
vegas

1988
01:07:01,109 --> 01:06:59,280
2009

1989
01:07:03,029 --> 01:07:01,119
and you know where westchester county is

1990
01:07:04,470 --> 01:07:03,039
right peak skill i do i don't think i've

1991
01:07:06,470 --> 01:07:04,480
ever i'm not sure if i've ever been

1992
01:07:08,150 --> 01:07:06,480
there i've been to canada it's upstate

1993
01:07:09,829 --> 01:07:08,160
it's upstate well that's right that's

1994
01:07:11,029 --> 01:07:09,839
where i'm from anyway i'm from

1995
01:07:13,670 --> 01:07:11,039
up there in

1996
01:07:14,470 --> 01:07:13,680
montrose the montrose area of the hudson

1997
01:07:17,430 --> 01:07:14,480
valley

1998
01:07:20,470 --> 01:07:17,440
just adjacent to peak skill

1999
01:07:21,910 --> 01:07:20,480
shout out to henderson anyway um so i

2000
01:07:24,390 --> 01:07:21,920
was going to ask you back to

2001
01:07:26,630 --> 01:07:24,400
consciousness again because uh and

2002
01:07:28,470 --> 01:07:26,640
there's def hey

2003
01:07:30,710 --> 01:07:28,480
where's flair now we don't have a flare

2004
01:07:32,309 --> 01:07:30,720
that's flare yeah we lost our flare uh

2005
01:07:33,990 --> 01:07:32,319
someone might have turned on the xbox

2006
01:07:37,990 --> 01:07:34,000
over at his house but we'll we'll get

2007
01:07:40,150 --> 01:07:38,000
him back um but anyway uh debs uh will

2008
01:07:42,230 --> 01:07:40,160
will uh she'll be next up and there he

2009
01:07:43,910 --> 01:07:42,240
is now you got all the cabbies joe

2010
01:07:46,230 --> 01:07:43,920
you've got us all

2011
01:07:47,829 --> 01:07:46,240
in full strength here um

2012
01:07:49,589 --> 01:07:47,839
so my question going back to

2013
01:07:51,270 --> 01:07:49,599
consciousness is

2014
01:07:53,029 --> 01:07:51,280
and this is a theory you know nathan's

2015
01:07:55,990 --> 01:07:53,039
heard me discuss this a little bit when

2016
01:07:57,270 --> 01:07:56,000
we had uh uh paisan ayandolion or

2017
01:07:58,950 --> 01:07:57,280
yandoli

2018
01:08:02,069 --> 01:07:58,960
and um

2019
01:08:05,670 --> 01:08:02,079
if there are certain intelligences

2020
01:08:08,470 --> 01:08:05,680
that enough experiencers have said

2021
01:08:10,950 --> 01:08:08,480
are harvesting material biological

2022
01:08:13,109 --> 01:08:10,960
material material from their sexual

2023
01:08:14,069 --> 01:08:13,119
organs etc

2024
01:08:27,990 --> 01:08:14,079
i

2025
01:08:30,630 --> 01:08:28,000
we can get

2026
01:08:33,590 --> 01:08:30,640
some of their biological material

2027
01:08:35,430 --> 01:08:33,600
then we can uh we can then

2028
01:08:37,669 --> 01:08:35,440
form or create

2029
01:08:40,149 --> 01:08:37,679
our own consciousness by these sort of

2030
01:08:41,910 --> 01:08:40,159
hybridized beings

2031
01:08:43,510 --> 01:08:41,920
cannot take any

2032
01:08:44,870 --> 01:08:43,520
theory off the table i've never heard

2033
01:08:45,749 --> 01:08:44,880
that theory but that's interesting i

2034
01:08:48,630 --> 01:08:45,759
mean

2035
01:08:50,390 --> 01:08:48,640
you know maybe maybe and

2036
01:08:52,789 --> 01:08:50,400
but there are also people like carla

2037
01:08:55,349 --> 01:08:52,799
turner who is now no longer with us who

2038
01:08:57,749 --> 01:08:55,359
believe that the whole

2039
01:09:00,229 --> 01:08:57,759
taking of egg and sperm and you know

2040
01:09:01,990 --> 01:09:00,239
creating babies and she said in her

2041
01:09:03,749 --> 01:09:02,000
opinion that might just be a just a

2042
01:09:06,789 --> 01:09:03,759
cover story for what they're really

2043
01:09:08,550 --> 01:09:06,799
doing which she didn't know um

2044
01:09:10,550 --> 01:09:08,560
yeah maybe they need something from us

2045
01:09:12,390 --> 01:09:10,560
even if it's not consciousness maybe

2046
01:09:14,229 --> 01:09:12,400
maybe it's us from the future and we've

2047
01:09:15,590 --> 01:09:14,239
lost our way where we're little grey

2048
01:09:17,349 --> 01:09:15,600
characters although some people think

2049
01:09:19,110 --> 01:09:17,359
they're robots i don't know there's so

2050
01:09:20,309 --> 01:09:19,120
many theories out there i don't know how

2051
01:09:21,510 --> 01:09:20,319
we're going to get to the bottom of it

2052
01:09:23,430 --> 01:09:21,520
to tell you the truth

2053
01:09:25,030 --> 01:09:23,440
you know even like i said even if we

2054
01:09:26,709 --> 01:09:25,040
have crafts and bodies how do you even

2055
01:09:28,870 --> 01:09:26,719
know where they're from there's no way

2056
01:09:31,349 --> 01:09:28,880
unless and i've made the joke unless on

2057
01:09:32,950 --> 01:09:31,359
their ass it's stamped you know made in

2058
01:09:34,870 --> 01:09:32,960
zeta reticuli

2059
01:09:37,910 --> 01:09:34,880
there's no way unless you have video

2060
01:09:39,749 --> 01:09:37,920
tracking that craft from deep deep space

2061
01:09:40,870 --> 01:09:39,759
um and i spoke to somebody and it's i

2062
01:09:42,470 --> 01:09:40,880
didn't speak to somebody it's on a

2063
01:09:43,749 --> 01:09:42,480
facebook page that is private so i

2064
01:09:45,110 --> 01:09:43,759
couldn't share it specifically but

2065
01:09:47,189 --> 01:09:45,120
they're like and they've had access to

2066
01:09:49,829 --> 01:09:47,199
classified data and they're like

2067
01:09:51,749 --> 01:09:49,839
as far as i know there is no data that

2068
01:09:53,590 --> 01:09:51,759
that i've been able to access that shows

2069
01:09:56,870 --> 01:09:53,600
anything coming from

2070
01:09:59,590 --> 01:09:56,880
outside of the orbit of the moon um

2071
01:10:00,630 --> 01:09:59,600
that data may exist but i have not seen

2072
01:10:02,149 --> 01:10:00,640
it so

2073
01:10:03,270 --> 01:10:02,159
yeah i don't know how we're going to

2074
01:10:04,790 --> 01:10:03,280
look

2075
01:10:06,950 --> 01:10:04,800
that's a whole nother matter whether or

2076
01:10:08,390 --> 01:10:06,960
not that person has seen it is is

2077
01:10:10,950 --> 01:10:08,400
another story because if you listen to

2078
01:10:12,550 --> 01:10:10,960
john ramirez he said he's seen them

2079
01:10:14,550 --> 01:10:12,560
outside of orbit

2080
01:10:18,630 --> 01:10:14,560
so

2081
01:10:20,630 --> 01:10:18,640
know he's seen he said he's seen data

2082
01:10:22,149 --> 01:10:20,640
that shows that they're outside of orbit

2083
01:10:23,189 --> 01:10:22,159
the moon's over like coming from deep

2084
01:10:25,590 --> 01:10:23,199
space

2085
01:10:26,870 --> 01:10:25,600
i think outside of the earth's orbit i

2086
01:10:28,790 --> 01:10:26,880
don't know about outside the moon's

2087
01:10:31,430 --> 01:10:28,800
orbit

2088
01:10:33,270 --> 01:10:31,440
yeah um we would need to just track them

2089
01:10:34,709 --> 01:10:33,280
from very deep space and but then again

2090
01:10:35,669 --> 01:10:34,719
that doesn't even prove anything i

2091
01:10:37,830 --> 01:10:35,679
really don't know how we're going to

2092
01:10:39,430 --> 01:10:37,840
prove any of this so it's

2093
01:10:41,189 --> 01:10:39,440
you know it's like the fact that we

2094
01:10:43,669 --> 01:10:41,199
could just show that something that's

2095
01:10:45,189 --> 01:10:43,679
not part of our society it's not a state

2096
01:10:47,830 --> 01:10:45,199
actor not a non-state actor it's

2097
01:10:49,590 --> 01:10:47,840
something anomalous is here because i do

2098
01:10:51,750 --> 01:10:49,600
think the theory that some of this is

2099
01:10:52,630 --> 01:10:51,760
based on earth is a valid theory

2100
01:10:54,390 --> 01:10:52,640
um

2101
01:10:56,149 --> 01:10:54,400
that's pretty cool if it is based on

2102
01:10:58,229 --> 01:10:56,159
earth it would it it could explain why

2103
01:11:00,070 --> 01:10:58,239
they're interested in nukes because hey

2104
01:11:01,990 --> 01:11:00,080
we live here too we don't care as much

2105
01:11:03,590 --> 01:11:02,000
about humans but we care about the

2106
01:11:05,430 --> 01:11:03,600
planet so

2107
01:11:07,110 --> 01:11:05,440
but then there's a theory you know

2108
01:11:09,510 --> 01:11:07,120
there's a theory that they're just

2109
01:11:11,270 --> 01:11:09,520
trying to pretend to be ets so they pay

2110
01:11:13,270 --> 01:11:11,280
attention to nukes to trick us but

2111
01:11:14,310 --> 01:11:13,280
they're really not ets they're demons

2112
01:11:18,550 --> 01:11:14,320
and

2113
01:11:21,189 --> 01:11:18,560
about that that's a person one of my

2114
01:11:23,750 --> 01:11:21,199
sources said read valet read diana

2115
01:11:29,030 --> 01:11:23,760
posalka read

2116
01:11:30,149 --> 01:11:29,040
what was the third one pasalka ballet

2117
01:11:32,390 --> 01:11:30,159
and now

2118
01:11:34,390 --> 01:11:32,400
who's no john poche who's

2119
01:11:37,110 --> 01:11:34,400
um ray bo shea who's all of his stuff is

2120
01:11:38,790 --> 01:11:37,120
online he's a he's a former reverend and

2121
01:11:40,470 --> 01:11:38,800
then the fourth one was nick redfearn

2122
01:11:42,550 --> 01:11:40,480
who talks about the collins elite in

2123
01:11:44,229 --> 01:11:42,560
final theory and the person said

2124
01:11:45,750 --> 01:11:44,239
you're going to think ray you know nick

2125
01:11:46,870 --> 01:11:45,760
redfern puts out a book every week it

2126
01:11:48,390 --> 01:11:46,880
looks like he really doesn't do any

2127
01:11:49,750 --> 01:11:48,400
research i'm like yeah it does seem that

2128
01:11:51,830 --> 01:11:49,760
way he goes yeah but there's some stuff

2129
01:11:54,229 --> 01:11:51,840
in there that's really good from him so

2130
01:11:56,390 --> 01:11:54,239
but john keel is a must read for anybody

2131
01:11:57,669 --> 01:11:56,400
who's interested in ufos i mean just for

2132
01:11:59,189 --> 01:11:57,679
the history that he goes into in the

2133
01:12:00,630 --> 01:11:59,199
beginning and then he talks about the

2134
01:12:02,390 --> 01:12:00,640
theories that it may be an intelligence

2135
01:12:04,870 --> 01:12:02,400
that can create anything at once it's so

2136
01:12:06,470 --> 01:12:04,880
super advanced it messes with us some of

2137
01:12:09,350 --> 01:12:06,480
it's positive some of it's negative some

2138
01:12:11,430 --> 01:12:09,360
of it's neutral i i was so amazed by

2139
01:12:12,630 --> 01:12:11,440
that book and somebody gary nolan is one

2140
01:12:13,510 --> 01:12:12,640
who told me he goes you should read that

2141
01:12:15,669 --> 01:12:13,520
book

2142
01:12:18,229 --> 01:12:15,679
well here's somebody that's uh super

2143
01:12:19,990 --> 01:12:18,239
advanced and super positive and she is

2144
01:12:23,189 --> 01:12:20,000
our researcher

2145
01:12:25,590 --> 01:12:23,199
uh who has a show called debs data dojo

2146
01:12:28,149 --> 01:12:25,600
and uh and she also goes by a study of

2147
01:12:30,790 --> 01:12:28,159
uaps hi debs

2148
01:12:32,550 --> 01:12:30,800
hi everybody sorry i'm late

2149
01:12:34,070 --> 01:12:32,560
debbie

2150
01:12:36,870 --> 01:12:34,080
hi

2151
01:12:39,990 --> 01:12:36,880
we love deb go ahead

2152
01:12:42,149 --> 01:12:40,000
oh i i just was um really appreciating

2153
01:12:44,390 --> 01:12:42,159
all the work that you did today

2154
01:12:46,070 --> 01:12:44,400
um and i was wondering kind of what

2155
01:12:48,709 --> 01:12:46,080
which

2156
01:12:51,669 --> 01:12:48,719
like material do you recommend to other

2157
01:12:54,390 --> 01:12:51,679
people coming into this topic other than

2158
01:12:56,149 --> 01:12:54,400
keel but like when you decide who am i

2159
01:12:58,790 --> 01:12:56,159
going to go listen to who do you think

2160
01:13:00,390 --> 01:12:58,800
people should be following

2161
01:13:02,790 --> 01:13:00,400
depends on what they're looking for like

2162
01:13:04,470 --> 01:13:02,800
with with history richard dolan is great

2163
01:13:05,830 --> 01:13:04,480
and he has so many lectures online if

2164
01:13:07,350 --> 01:13:05,840
people don't want to read because i have

2165
01:13:09,110 --> 01:13:07,360
people in my family

2166
01:13:09,910 --> 01:13:09,120
one cousin who's interested i'm like

2167
01:13:11,669 --> 01:13:09,920
read

2168
01:13:14,149 --> 01:13:11,679
i have the pdf for skin walkers at the

2169
01:13:16,229 --> 01:13:14,159
pentagon read this he's like two days

2170
01:13:17,189 --> 01:13:16,239
later he goes i i i need the audio

2171
01:13:19,510 --> 01:13:17,199
version

2172
01:13:21,189 --> 01:13:19,520
so like there is no there is no audio

2173
01:13:23,110 --> 01:13:21,199
version so um

2174
01:13:25,669 --> 01:13:23,120
but there's so much dolan online he has

2175
01:13:27,910 --> 01:13:25,679
a lot of good information on the ufo

2176
01:13:30,470 --> 01:13:27,920
history um

2177
01:13:33,110 --> 01:13:30,480
kiel is yeah a great one valet um i'm

2178
01:13:34,310 --> 01:13:33,120
trying to think from the very beginning

2179
01:13:35,910 --> 01:13:34,320
dolan is a great one for the very

2180
01:13:37,750 --> 01:13:35,920
beginning because he doesn't in his

2181
01:13:40,390 --> 01:13:37,760
historical books he doesn't go into nuts

2182
01:13:42,390 --> 01:13:40,400
and bolts there's also another book i

2183
01:13:43,350 --> 01:13:42,400
have not read it i've see i've glimpsed

2184
01:13:45,350 --> 01:13:43,360
through it

2185
01:13:47,189 --> 01:13:45,360
it was recommended to me by michael vi

2186
01:13:49,110 --> 01:13:47,199
who i interviewed who had an experience

2187
01:13:51,830 --> 01:13:49,120
he was on unidentified i'll have to find

2188
01:13:53,510 --> 01:13:51,840
it um

2189
01:13:56,310 --> 01:13:53,520
leslie kane

2190
01:13:57,830 --> 01:13:56,320
is a great place to start um and also

2191
01:13:59,110 --> 01:13:57,840
see the if people don't want to read

2192
01:14:01,270 --> 01:13:59,120
some people just don't like to read see

2193
01:14:03,430 --> 01:14:01,280
the phenomenon by james fox any of his

2194
01:14:06,070 --> 01:14:03,440
movies he's done in the past um ross

2195
01:14:07,910 --> 01:14:06,080
cultart's movie is is is another one his

2196
01:14:09,510 --> 01:14:07,920
documentary ross goldhart's book in

2197
01:14:11,750 --> 01:14:09,520
plain sight is a really good one that

2198
01:14:13,830 --> 01:14:11,760
goes through history and covers a lot of

2199
01:14:17,430 --> 01:14:13,840
ground ross's book and leslie's book

2200
01:14:18,870 --> 01:14:17,440
anything leslie has done um

2201
01:14:20,470 --> 01:14:18,880
and i have to come up with a list for

2202
01:14:22,709 --> 01:14:20,480
ufo books because i don't have them

2203
01:14:24,149 --> 01:14:22,719
offhand but the one i'm talking about

2204
01:14:28,149 --> 01:14:24,159
that deals with

2205
01:14:29,830 --> 01:14:28,159
government documents it's it's very in

2206
01:14:31,669 --> 01:14:29,840
even

2207
01:14:33,350 --> 01:14:31,679
john greenwald who i battle with i've

2208
01:14:35,030 --> 01:14:33,360
recommend his but i recommended his book

2209
01:14:36,550 --> 01:14:35,040
before he has a really great book that

2210
01:14:37,910 --> 01:14:36,560
goes through government documents in

2211
01:14:40,470 --> 01:14:37,920
history and it's got some really great

2212
01:14:42,470 --> 01:14:40,480
information in there so

2213
01:14:44,630 --> 01:14:42,480
i do need to do a blog page where i just

2214
01:14:46,310 --> 01:14:44,640
go through books uh whitley strieber for

2215
01:14:47,990 --> 01:14:46,320
me it's it's it's essential reading for

2216
01:14:50,790 --> 01:14:48,000
anybody interested in this subject

2217
01:14:52,630 --> 01:14:50,800
because he gets into he goes in starting

2218
01:14:54,550 --> 01:14:52,640
off with his i mean abductions are

2219
01:14:56,790 --> 01:14:54,560
already not nuts and bolts but it goes

2220
01:14:59,189 --> 01:14:56,800
down even further i mean where he's

2221
01:15:01,030 --> 01:14:59,199
meditating every day and he has you know

2222
01:15:03,350 --> 01:15:01,040
it's more metaphysical than i ever

2223
01:15:04,790 --> 01:15:03,360
realized which i really loved um

2224
01:15:06,950 --> 01:15:04,800
and then you start going into out of

2225
01:15:09,350 --> 01:15:06,960
body books must reads robert monroe

2226
01:15:10,870 --> 01:15:09,360
books are must reads strict ufos though

2227
01:15:12,790 --> 01:15:10,880
history the beginning

2228
01:15:15,430 --> 01:15:12,800
dolan has a book called ufos for the

2229
01:15:17,189 --> 01:15:15,440
20th century mine which is a great place

2230
01:15:20,149 --> 01:15:17,199
for people to start and he goes into a

2231
01:15:22,550 --> 01:15:20,159
little bit more non-nuts and bolts more

2232
01:15:24,390 --> 01:15:22,560
um more consciousness stuff but it's a

2233
01:15:26,070 --> 01:15:24,400
really it's a really great it's not a

2234
01:15:28,790 --> 01:15:26,080
really deep read like

2235
01:15:31,590 --> 01:15:28,800
his history books are like really thick

2236
01:15:33,350 --> 01:15:31,600
but ufos for a 20th century my 21st

2237
01:15:35,430 --> 01:15:33,360
century mind i think uh it's a really

2238
01:15:37,430 --> 01:15:35,440
great place to start

2239
01:15:39,910 --> 01:15:37,440
and by the way somebody on the in the

2240
01:15:44,229 --> 01:15:39,920
chat asked about bankston's method it is

2241
01:15:47,350 --> 01:15:45,750
thank you

2242
01:15:54,870 --> 01:15:47,360
welcome you read my mind that's what i

2243
01:15:59,830 --> 01:15:57,110
my second ex-wife does reiki

2244
01:16:01,990 --> 01:15:59,840
um yeah and bankston will not doubt he's

2245
01:16:03,750 --> 01:16:02,000
like yeah reiki works for whatever reiki

2246
01:16:05,830 --> 01:16:03,760
works for but my specific thing does

2247
01:16:07,350 --> 01:16:05,840
really good with cancer and the more

2248
01:16:09,270 --> 01:16:07,360
aggressive the cancer

2249
01:16:12,790 --> 01:16:09,280
the more it seems to work the better it

2250
01:16:17,110 --> 01:16:16,149
and chris can you pop that up there or

2251
01:16:19,350 --> 01:16:17,120
yeah

2252
01:16:22,950 --> 01:16:19,360
it was just basically it was a question

2253
01:16:25,189 --> 01:16:22,960
uh did they use reiki uh reiki technique

2254
01:16:27,189 --> 01:16:25,199
yeah he yeah because he said he caught

2255
01:16:29,270 --> 01:16:27,199
it before i popped it up because we're

2256
01:16:31,110 --> 01:16:29,280
in synchronicity right joe

2257
01:16:33,350 --> 01:16:31,120
yes show merger

2258
01:16:35,350 --> 01:16:33,360
where'd you all right back to my brother

2259
01:16:37,350 --> 01:16:35,360
uh nathan

2260
01:16:39,830 --> 01:16:37,360
yeah so i guess uh i'm gonna keep keep

2261
01:16:41,590 --> 01:16:39,840
uh going down this path but i i you know

2262
01:16:43,750 --> 01:16:41,600
we since we have talked about the

2263
01:16:46,470 --> 01:16:43,760
spectrum of the phenomena

2264
01:16:48,229 --> 01:16:46,480
uh you know and since i recently talked

2265
01:16:49,110 --> 01:16:48,239
a little bit on disclosure

2266
01:16:52,790 --> 01:16:49,120
i mean

2267
01:16:55,110 --> 01:16:52,800
don't you think that we kind of um

2268
01:16:56,950 --> 01:16:55,120
like the world has to be conditioned to

2269
01:16:58,630 --> 01:16:56,960
be able to

2270
01:17:01,110 --> 01:16:58,640
to sort of

2271
01:17:03,350 --> 01:17:01,120
be at a place where we can

2272
01:17:05,830 --> 01:17:03,360
have this conversation because i'm of

2273
01:17:08,630 --> 01:17:05,840
the opinion that if it's just aliens

2274
01:17:10,550 --> 01:17:08,640
right if it's just extraterrestrials

2275
01:17:12,470 --> 01:17:10,560
who've come to visit us

2276
01:17:14,630 --> 01:17:12,480
like that's a pretty easy story to tell

2277
01:17:16,790 --> 01:17:14,640
you know like right i agree aliens are

2278
01:17:18,630 --> 01:17:16,800
here great like we learned we're not

2279
01:17:21,669 --> 01:17:18,640
alone hooray like they're either going

2280
01:17:23,910 --> 01:17:21,679
to destroy us okay nothing we can do or

2281
01:17:26,229 --> 01:17:23,920
they're not and so that's a good story i

2282
01:17:28,830 --> 01:17:26,239
mean that's you know that's simple it's

2283
01:17:31,510 --> 01:17:28,840
not complicated and i think most of the

2284
01:17:34,310 --> 01:17:31,520
world most of the world is pretty much

2285
01:17:35,430 --> 01:17:34,320
ready for that so later a week later

2286
01:17:37,350 --> 01:17:35,440
they'll be like

2287
01:17:39,270 --> 01:17:37,360
what is kim kardashian up to today right

2288
01:17:41,030 --> 01:17:39,280
exactly

2289
01:17:43,189 --> 01:17:41,040
what surgery reality tv you know that's

2290
01:17:45,510 --> 01:17:43,199
right so so i think it's too simple and

2291
01:17:47,189 --> 01:17:45,520
that's why that's not it right

2292
01:17:49,030 --> 01:17:47,199
so because i

2293
01:17:51,430 --> 01:17:49,040
because i do think it is more of these

2294
01:17:53,830 --> 01:17:51,440
complicated things that that this this

2295
01:17:56,470 --> 01:17:53,840
consciousness component that the nature

2296
01:17:58,870 --> 01:17:56,480
of reality itself is something other

2297
01:18:02,229 --> 01:17:58,880
than what we think it is that's what

2298
01:18:05,270 --> 01:18:02,239
makes this such a big challenge that how

2299
01:18:07,350 --> 01:18:05,280
do you really tell that story and i'm

2300
01:18:09,430 --> 01:18:07,360
also of the opinion that

2301
01:18:11,910 --> 01:18:09,440
that the government has to do this in

2302
01:18:13,030 --> 01:18:11,920
little pieces because it's almost like a

2303
01:18:15,750 --> 01:18:13,040
um

2304
01:18:18,229 --> 01:18:15,760
it's like if i if i give something to a

2305
01:18:20,070 --> 01:18:18,239
if i give a new toy to a kid and let's

2306
01:18:21,830 --> 01:18:20,080
let's say that if they play with it it

2307
01:18:23,270 --> 01:18:21,840
maybe it comes in different pieces if

2308
01:18:25,189 --> 01:18:23,280
they play with it in the wrong way it

2309
01:18:27,350 --> 01:18:25,199
doesn't get assembled and doesn't the

2310
01:18:29,189 --> 01:18:27,360
the final assembly doesn't if

2311
01:18:29,990 --> 01:18:29,199
it's voltron right so if i give them the

2312
01:18:31,910 --> 01:18:30,000
little

2313
01:18:33,669 --> 01:18:31,920
you know and they're not playing with it

2314
01:18:35,350 --> 01:18:33,679
right you know they can't build voltron

2315
01:18:37,669 --> 01:18:35,360
so i need to give them one little you

2316
01:18:39,590 --> 01:18:37,679
know sort of line at a time and show

2317
01:18:41,189 --> 01:18:39,600
them how it works and that's that's the

2318
01:18:42,709 --> 01:18:41,199
arm that's the head that's the body

2319
01:18:43,590 --> 01:18:42,719
that's the you know okay now put it

2320
01:18:46,149 --> 01:18:43,600
together

2321
01:18:47,590 --> 01:18:46,159
um if that's the case you know how long

2322
01:18:49,270 --> 01:18:47,600
do you think this journey is going to be

2323
01:18:51,510 --> 01:18:49,280
before

2324
01:18:52,950 --> 01:18:51,520
the world is really at a place where we

2325
01:18:55,110 --> 01:18:52,960
can

2326
01:18:56,709 --> 01:18:55,120
accept what what what is really going on

2327
01:18:59,110 --> 01:18:56,719
here

2328
01:19:00,870 --> 01:18:59,120
and specifically how how are scientists

2329
01:19:03,189 --> 01:19:00,880
going to be able to handle

2330
01:19:04,550 --> 01:19:03,199
the fact that reality is so much

2331
01:19:06,550 --> 01:19:04,560
different i mean they have problem

2332
01:19:08,630 --> 01:19:06,560
dealing with the with the double slit

2333
01:19:09,910 --> 01:19:08,640
experiment you know right it's like

2334
01:19:11,590 --> 01:19:09,920
scientists are like well yeah that

2335
01:19:13,430 --> 01:19:11,600
happens on the quantum level but on not

2336
01:19:14,950 --> 01:19:13,440
on the macro level well we don't know

2337
01:19:17,189 --> 01:19:14,960
that if it does happening on the macro

2338
01:19:20,149 --> 01:19:17,199
level you know our world is so it's like

2339
01:19:22,149 --> 01:19:20,159
turns everything upside down so how long

2340
01:19:24,229 --> 01:19:22,159
before we get there i mean it could be

2341
01:19:25,110 --> 01:19:24,239
decades before we get there i hope not

2342
01:19:26,390 --> 01:19:25,120
um

2343
01:19:27,189 --> 01:19:26,400
you know there are some people think

2344
01:19:31,030 --> 01:19:27,199
that

2345
01:19:33,110 --> 01:19:31,040
a crisis environmentally and

2346
01:19:35,110 --> 01:19:33,120
you know cyclical disasters may pop up

2347
01:19:36,790 --> 01:19:35,120
here and there that it's gonna force

2348
01:19:38,470 --> 01:19:36,800
it's gonna force disclosure but i don't

2349
01:19:40,149 --> 01:19:38,480
know if i you know i don't see that

2350
01:19:41,590 --> 01:19:40,159
happening you know you never know what's

2351
01:19:43,830 --> 01:19:41,600
gonna go on what's gonna pop up

2352
01:19:45,669 --> 01:19:43,840
surprises here and there and you know i

2353
01:19:47,590 --> 01:19:45,679
just can't like you said it i just can't

2354
01:19:49,430 --> 01:19:47,600
see us going even if we get to the point

2355
01:19:50,790 --> 01:19:49,440
where like oh look there are craft here

2356
01:19:53,030 --> 01:19:50,800
and there are bodies that doesn't take

2357
01:19:54,310 --> 01:19:53,040
us to consciousness unless they come out

2358
01:19:56,390 --> 01:19:54,320
and say

2359
01:19:58,709 --> 01:19:56,400
we've seen them create this out of thin

2360
01:20:00,630 --> 01:19:58,719
air using we don't even understand the

2361
01:20:02,470 --> 01:20:00,640
technology maybe that'll get us in that

2362
01:20:04,550 --> 01:20:02,480
direction but george kneps as you know

2363
01:20:06,470 --> 01:20:04,560
like you said extraterrestrials fine a

2364
01:20:08,390 --> 01:20:06,480
lot of people may be able to accept that

2365
01:20:10,229 --> 01:20:08,400
but if it talks about other beings in

2366
01:20:11,910 --> 01:20:10,239
some other dimension that are around us

2367
01:20:13,750 --> 01:20:11,920
all the time they can see us all the

2368
01:20:15,030 --> 01:20:13,760
time we can't see them they're watching

2369
01:20:16,950 --> 01:20:15,040
you when you're in the bathroom and when

2370
01:20:18,870 --> 01:20:16,960
you're taking a shower people are not

2371
01:20:20,790 --> 01:20:18,880
going to be able to handle that i mean a

2372
01:20:21,750 --> 01:20:20,800
lot of us may not be able to handle that

2373
01:20:23,990 --> 01:20:21,760
so

2374
01:20:25,590 --> 01:20:24,000
yeah time wise i would just tell people

2375
01:20:26,870 --> 01:20:25,600
just be patient because there are people

2376
01:20:28,709 --> 01:20:26,880
that are not patient and they start

2377
01:20:30,870 --> 01:20:28,719
getting so negative right away and they

2378
01:20:32,629 --> 01:20:30,880
start becoming debunkers i've seen it

2379
01:20:34,629 --> 01:20:32,639
i've seen it in the past i see it now

2380
01:20:36,310 --> 01:20:34,639
and it's like they get out of control

2381
01:20:38,629 --> 01:20:36,320
with the negativity i'm like just calm

2382
01:20:40,470 --> 01:20:38,639
down we're making progress you know this

2383
01:20:42,470 --> 01:20:40,480
is progress what's going on we have a

2384
01:20:44,310 --> 01:20:42,480
senator's talking about this i know it's

2385
01:20:47,110 --> 01:20:44,320
not exactly what you want and you want

2386
01:20:48,870 --> 01:20:47,120
it to happen fast but things are going

2387
01:20:50,470 --> 01:20:48,880
well um

2388
01:20:52,470 --> 01:20:50,480
timelines are tough as far as

2389
01:20:54,070 --> 01:20:52,480
consciousness but like i said if we can

2390
01:20:55,750 --> 01:20:54,080
get them to accept

2391
01:20:58,470 --> 01:20:55,760
that they were lied to and i'm not even

2392
01:21:01,189 --> 01:20:58,480
saying just you were misled this stuff

2393
01:21:02,709 --> 01:21:01,199
was real you were duped there's a lot of

2394
01:21:04,310 --> 01:21:02,719
other stuff you were duped about let's

2395
01:21:06,709 --> 01:21:04,320
talk about remote viewing let's talk

2396
01:21:08,229 --> 01:21:06,719
about related issues with consciousness

2397
01:21:09,350 --> 01:21:08,239
and i think people will be more

2398
01:21:11,430 --> 01:21:09,360
receptive

2399
01:21:12,830 --> 01:21:11,440
once they realize how wrong they were

2400
01:21:18,070 --> 01:21:12,840
about

2401
01:21:19,990 --> 01:21:18,080
was able to visualize a very very

2402
01:21:22,310 --> 01:21:20,000
specific structure

2403
01:21:24,229 --> 01:21:22,320
in russia somewhere that he could not

2404
01:21:26,470 --> 01:21:24,239
have known just by based on them giving

2405
01:21:27,830 --> 01:21:26,480
him grid coordinates yeah he was able he

2406
01:21:29,830 --> 01:21:27,840
was one of the few that could actually

2407
01:21:31,350 --> 01:21:29,840
read numbers off of documents which is a

2408
01:21:32,950 --> 01:21:31,360
disaster and a nightmare for a

2409
01:21:35,189 --> 01:21:32,960
government if you have a special access

2410
01:21:36,950 --> 01:21:35,199
program with code words he was able to

2411
01:21:39,030 --> 01:21:36,960
come up with them that's not the norm

2412
01:21:40,709 --> 01:21:39,040
for a remote viewer there are people

2413
01:21:43,110 --> 01:21:40,719
that felt he was murdered if you saw

2414
01:21:44,550 --> 01:21:43,120
psychics uh third eye spies they kind of

2415
01:21:47,030 --> 01:21:44,560
go in that direction it was a very

2416
01:21:48,310 --> 01:21:47,040
mysterious death with pat price um

2417
01:21:50,149 --> 01:21:48,320
he was amazing though i wish he was

2418
01:21:52,310 --> 01:21:50,159
still i wish him and ingle were still

2419
01:21:53,910 --> 01:21:52,320
with us two ingo swan another amazing

2420
01:21:56,550 --> 01:21:53,920
remote viewer

2421
01:21:58,070 --> 01:21:56,560
yep i i ended up getting on a show where

2422
01:21:59,990 --> 01:21:58,080
there was a couple of remote viewers and

2423
01:22:03,350 --> 01:22:00,000
they were mentioning those names and i

2424
01:22:05,270 --> 01:22:03,360
was fascinated um i wanted to go back to

2425
01:22:06,950 --> 01:22:05,280
the you know probably one of the few

2426
01:22:08,550 --> 01:22:06,960
people i've seen in ufology that has

2427
01:22:11,030 --> 01:22:08,560
better hair than you do and that's

2428
01:22:13,350 --> 01:22:11,040
richard dolan um

2429
01:22:16,310 --> 01:22:13,360
and his um

2430
01:22:18,950 --> 01:22:16,320
he uh interviewed that guy on the jeremy

2431
01:22:21,189 --> 01:22:18,960
corbell short film that was maybe 20

2432
01:22:25,350 --> 01:22:21,199
minutes long and it was a gentleman uh

2433
01:22:26,310 --> 01:22:25,360
in the hotel room who was a retired cia

2434
01:22:27,990 --> 01:22:26,320
agent

2435
01:22:29,830 --> 01:22:28,000
and i'm curious i know that you're

2436
01:22:31,110 --> 01:22:29,840
familiar with this film and so i'd like

2437
01:22:33,030 --> 01:22:31,120
to just get your

2438
01:22:34,709 --> 01:22:33,040
uh on varnish take on that and the

2439
01:22:36,229 --> 01:22:34,719
material presented it's been a while

2440
01:22:37,990 --> 01:22:36,239
it's been a while since i've seen that

2441
01:22:40,709 --> 01:22:38,000
um

2442
01:22:42,629 --> 01:22:40,719
and i know people say it's been debunked

2443
01:22:45,270 --> 01:22:42,639
that guy and i don't know exactly what

2444
01:22:46,790 --> 01:22:45,280
they've debunked um

2445
01:22:48,950 --> 01:22:46,800
i don't really have much to add about

2446
01:22:50,390 --> 01:22:48,960
that um but i could talk about deathbed

2447
01:22:51,830 --> 01:22:50,400
confession somebody asked today if you

2448
01:22:53,990 --> 01:22:51,840
think there's gonna be more deathbed

2449
01:22:55,590 --> 01:22:54,000
confessions and it depends

2450
01:22:57,510 --> 01:22:55,600
these guys believe that they're

2451
01:22:59,510 --> 01:22:57,520
patriotic by keeping the secret they

2452
01:23:01,189 --> 01:22:59,520
don't they don't think they don't think

2453
01:23:02,790 --> 01:23:01,199
it's a good idea like especially if we

2454
01:23:04,950 --> 01:23:02,800
have a craft and we're trying to back

2455
01:23:06,629 --> 01:23:04,960
engineer it they don't think it's a good

2456
01:23:08,390 --> 01:23:06,639
thing to be talking about secrets even

2457
01:23:10,310 --> 01:23:08,400
on their deathbed we haven't seen that

2458
01:23:11,990 --> 01:23:10,320
many of those type of things i mean i'm

2459
01:23:14,070 --> 01:23:12,000
trying to think of the closest

2460
01:23:16,550 --> 01:23:14,080
the closest deathbed confession we've

2461
01:23:19,270 --> 01:23:16,560
had was with ross coulthard and

2462
01:23:22,310 --> 01:23:19,280
the guy nat colbits who had cancer and

2463
01:23:23,830 --> 01:23:22,320
he told you know he said to ross he said

2464
01:23:26,470 --> 01:23:23,840
screw it i'll tell you yes i was read

2465
01:23:28,709 --> 01:23:26,480
into the program and um you know we have

2466
01:23:31,189 --> 01:23:28,719
multiple craft and

2467
01:23:33,110 --> 01:23:31,199
he never was able to see them so you

2468
01:23:35,110 --> 01:23:33,120
know can't confirm that but he said that

2469
01:23:37,030 --> 01:23:35,120
he was taking the rod to wright paterson

2470
01:23:38,709 --> 01:23:37,040
air force base and he showed the moment

2471
01:23:40,709 --> 01:23:38,719
they showed him a material that he could

2472
01:23:43,030 --> 01:23:40,719
not figure out how it was manufactured

2473
01:23:45,189 --> 01:23:43,040
that's the closest deathbed confession

2474
01:23:46,390 --> 01:23:45,199
but he didn't you know he told ross you

2475
01:23:48,390 --> 01:23:46,400
know on the phone so we don't have a

2476
01:23:50,310 --> 01:23:48,400
recording of it

2477
01:23:51,830 --> 01:23:50,320
you would think you would think if

2478
01:23:53,270 --> 01:23:51,840
somebody if there was a piece of

2479
01:23:54,790 --> 01:23:53,280
information like

2480
01:23:56,550 --> 01:23:54,800
bodies

2481
01:23:58,629 --> 01:23:56,560
that would not be a national security

2482
01:24:00,470 --> 01:23:58,639
issue to me if you know if somebody had

2483
01:24:02,390 --> 01:24:00,480
seen that before they died i know people

2484
01:24:03,800 --> 01:24:02,400
have talked about that before

2485
01:24:05,189 --> 01:24:03,810
related to roswell um

2486
01:24:06,310 --> 01:24:05,199
[Music]

2487
01:24:07,830 --> 01:24:06,320
richard

2488
01:24:13,270 --> 01:24:07,840
100

2489
01:24:15,669 --> 01:24:13,280
asked him

2490
01:24:18,629 --> 01:24:15,679
well he saw a 16 millimeter film

2491
01:24:21,510 --> 01:24:18,639
of oh somebody's uh debs has something

2492
01:24:23,110 --> 01:24:21,520
uh he saw 16 millimeter film of a being

2493
01:24:25,590 --> 01:24:23,120
when it was live

2494
01:24:26,709 --> 01:24:25,600
and he saw photos

2495
01:24:27,750 --> 01:24:26,719
and

2496
01:24:30,390 --> 01:24:27,760
um

2497
01:24:33,270 --> 01:24:30,400
and also the same of the craft and so i

2498
01:24:36,149 --> 01:24:33,280
said your percentage of surety that we

2499
01:24:38,390 --> 01:24:36,159
have captured craft from roswell and he

2500
01:24:42,070 --> 01:24:38,400
said a hundred percent

2501
01:24:44,149 --> 01:24:42,080
when he was tdy out to uh debt three air

2502
01:24:47,270 --> 01:24:44,159
force death three at groom lake or area

2503
01:24:50,390 --> 01:24:47,280
51 we ask him how certain are you that

2504
01:24:52,149 --> 01:24:50,400
we have captured kraft there and he said

2505
01:24:53,990 --> 01:24:52,159
because i didn't see them with my own

2506
01:24:54,790 --> 01:24:54,000
eyes 80 percent

2507
01:24:56,790 --> 01:24:54,800
right

2508
01:24:58,629 --> 01:24:56,800
and and george knapp tells a story about

2509
01:25:00,229 --> 01:24:58,639
somebody he met that told him the same

2510
01:25:02,070 --> 01:25:00,239
thing that they had a live alien at area

2511
01:25:03,189 --> 01:25:02,080
51 it's one of my favorite tweet threads

2512
01:25:05,910 --> 01:25:03,199
i had

2513
01:25:06,950 --> 01:25:05,920
it's the same person that amy jacobson

2514
01:25:10,310 --> 01:25:06,960
said

2515
01:25:12,550 --> 01:25:10,320
told her that no roswell was

2516
01:25:14,870 --> 01:25:12,560
german technology and i forget exactly

2517
01:25:16,709 --> 01:25:14,880
the details oh yeah and and this guy

2518
01:25:18,629 --> 01:25:16,719
told george nappy saying no it was you

2519
01:25:20,550 --> 01:25:18,639
know he george was interviewing about

2520
01:25:22,149 --> 01:25:20,560
area 51 the guy's like you don't want to

2521
01:25:23,270 --> 01:25:22,159
you want to know about ufos right he's

2522
01:25:26,310 --> 01:25:23,280
like yeah i need

2523
01:25:28,070 --> 01:25:26,320
him the guy's passed on by now um so he

2524
01:25:30,149 --> 01:25:28,080
can't be interviewed and then don't you

2525
01:25:32,790 --> 01:25:30,159
know dodie is controversial i spent time

2526
01:25:34,950 --> 01:25:32,800
with dodie at the ufo megacon in june

2527
01:25:37,750 --> 01:25:34,960
here in lawful nevada and

2528
01:25:39,510 --> 01:25:37,760
really good guy great to talk to

2529
01:25:40,870 --> 01:25:39,520
really nice guy very likable you know

2530
01:25:42,709 --> 01:25:40,880
just like hal put off he worked with hal

2531
01:25:44,709 --> 01:25:42,719
put off down in austin at hal's place

2532
01:25:46,070 --> 01:25:44,719
and hal's like yeah really great guy and

2533
01:25:48,149 --> 01:25:46,080
some of the information he shared we

2534
01:25:50,070 --> 01:25:48,159
couldn't verify some of it we could

2535
01:25:51,350 --> 01:25:50,080
so i don't know i mean jody says a lot

2536
01:25:53,430 --> 01:25:51,360
of things in his lectures he talked

2537
01:25:55,350 --> 01:25:53,440
about there was a group of military guys

2538
01:25:56,950 --> 01:25:55,360
that went into this underground mountain

2539
01:25:59,110 --> 01:25:56,960
where there were et's like right in

2540
01:26:00,950 --> 01:25:59,120
front of them he talked about another

2541
01:26:03,110 --> 01:26:00,960
situation where these ets popped into a

2542
01:26:06,229 --> 01:26:03,120
room and they were human you they were

2543
01:26:08,310 --> 01:26:06,239
human-looking et's and they just tore

2544
01:26:10,310 --> 01:26:08,320
everybody part and killed everybody in

2545
01:26:11,910 --> 01:26:10,320
the room so it's like i don't know what

2546
01:26:13,830 --> 01:26:11,920
to believe from him

2547
01:26:15,110 --> 01:26:13,840
because i can't verify any of it but

2548
01:26:16,310 --> 01:26:15,120
there are multiple people who talk about

2549
01:26:17,990 --> 01:26:16,320
roswell

2550
01:26:19,910 --> 01:26:18,000
um but that's the debate that hap a

2551
01:26:21,350 --> 01:26:19,920
debate that happened recently with uh

2552
01:26:23,189 --> 01:26:21,360
the guy who's writing the articles for

2553
01:26:25,030 --> 01:26:23,199
the hill marek who's written some great

2554
01:26:27,430 --> 01:26:25,040
articles for the hill he's like i

2555
01:26:29,590 --> 01:26:27,440
believe uh roswell was a you know a

2556
01:26:32,629 --> 01:26:29,600
mogul weather balloon so

2557
01:26:33,590 --> 01:26:32,639
a mogul balloon you know and i and

2558
01:26:35,270 --> 01:26:33,600
you know

2559
01:26:37,110 --> 01:26:35,280
davis is 100

2560
01:26:38,470 --> 01:26:37,120
liu said he believes it

2561
01:26:40,070 --> 01:26:38,480
um

2562
01:26:43,189 --> 01:26:40,080
there's the only way to know is we get

2563
01:26:45,350 --> 01:26:43,199
to see it for sure 100

2564
01:26:46,790 --> 01:26:45,360
so i mean i've left open the possibility

2565
01:26:48,070 --> 01:26:46,800
that everybody's lying to us because

2566
01:26:49,669 --> 01:26:48,080
they want to convince the russians that

2567
01:26:51,990 --> 01:26:49,679
we have this i don't think that's the

2568
01:26:53,510 --> 01:26:52,000
case but i leave it open like this you

2569
01:26:54,790 --> 01:26:53,520
know just in case

2570
01:26:56,629 --> 01:26:54,800
i don't think that's the case though i

2571
01:26:57,830 --> 01:26:56,639
mean my opinion my judgment pete talking

2572
01:26:59,030 --> 01:26:57,840
to people

2573
01:27:00,950 --> 01:26:59,040
you know roswell and then we have

2574
01:27:02,709 --> 01:27:00,960
trinity which is a totally nother case i

2575
01:27:04,310 --> 01:27:02,719
was told by somebody

2576
01:27:06,470 --> 01:27:04,320
that it was second or third hand

2577
01:27:08,709 --> 01:27:06,480
somebody said so-and-so thinks that's a

2578
01:27:11,270 --> 01:27:08,719
prosaic case so and they were connected

2579
01:27:12,950 --> 01:27:11,280
to the ufo story in the government

2580
01:27:14,870 --> 01:27:12,960
so i don't know and and you know and

2581
01:27:16,629 --> 01:27:14,880
then we have lou talking about italy

2582
01:27:18,870 --> 01:27:16,639
back in the i think it was the 30s about

2583
01:27:20,790 --> 01:27:18,880
a craft that was retrieved by mussolini

2584
01:27:23,110 --> 01:27:20,800
and we wound up getting it and then you

2585
01:27:25,430 --> 01:27:23,120
have another source of mind talked about

2586
01:27:28,229 --> 01:27:25,440
a craft that landed in kingman that was

2587
01:27:31,110 --> 01:27:28,239
in totally intact just sitting there

2588
01:27:33,590 --> 01:27:31,120
george knapp did a report on that so

2589
01:27:36,310 --> 01:27:33,600
you know if we have all of that stuff

2590
01:27:37,990 --> 01:27:36,320
that alone will will will get us past

2591
01:27:40,310 --> 01:27:38,000
that'll get us to the point where it's

2592
01:27:42,870 --> 01:27:40,320
real it's that's it that's no doubt

2593
01:27:44,310 --> 01:27:42,880
about it it's real and then my from my

2594
01:27:46,070 --> 01:27:44,320
hopes we can get into more of the

2595
01:27:47,750 --> 01:27:46,080
consciousness stuff i think people will

2596
01:27:49,430 --> 01:27:47,760
naturally i would think people would

2597
01:27:51,990 --> 01:27:49,440
naturally speak about that

2598
01:27:54,629 --> 01:27:52,000
if the answer isn't strict e.t as nathan

2599
01:27:59,189 --> 01:27:54,639
said yep and get to where nathan wants

2600
01:28:01,350 --> 01:27:59,199
us to get to as a human race uh so um

2601
01:28:04,310 --> 01:28:01,360
there is cat on our chat that akashi

2602
01:28:06,070 --> 01:28:04,320
chris has uh something cat is one of our

2603
01:28:12,790 --> 01:28:06,080
friends and we'd like to put up her

2604
01:28:17,669 --> 01:28:14,870
okay if i had an imaginary friend as a

2605
01:28:20,310 --> 01:28:17,679
child that i swore up and down he was

2606
01:28:22,470 --> 01:28:20,320
real an ex-boyfriend had the same

2607
01:28:24,629 --> 01:28:22,480
experience thoughts

2608
01:28:26,550 --> 01:28:24,639
yeah when i was little in my baby book

2609
01:28:28,390 --> 01:28:26,560
it says i would blame everything on the

2610
01:28:30,229 --> 01:28:28,400
robot which i don't remember anything

2611
01:28:31,750 --> 01:28:30,239
but it says the robot did it the robot

2612
01:28:32,950 --> 01:28:31,760
did it mom the robot did it so who was

2613
01:28:34,790 --> 01:28:32,960
the robot

2614
01:28:36,950 --> 01:28:34,800
maybe we're as children we're able to

2615
01:28:38,310 --> 01:28:36,960
see more you know we're not biased at

2616
01:28:40,310 --> 01:28:38,320
all and we could see into these other

2617
01:28:42,390 --> 01:28:40,320
realms easier it seems like kids do have

2618
01:28:45,189 --> 01:28:42,400
that ability until they get older just

2619
01:28:46,950 --> 01:28:45,199
like with reincarnation cases with kids

2620
01:28:49,110 --> 01:28:46,960
as they're younger there's like 4 000

2621
01:28:50,550 --> 01:28:49,120
cases that ian stevenson investigated

2622
01:28:52,149 --> 01:28:50,560
where the kids are like

2623
01:28:54,229 --> 01:28:52,159
mostly in countries that believe in

2624
01:28:56,070 --> 01:28:54,239
reincarnation but the kids are like uh

2625
01:28:57,750 --> 01:28:56,080
by the way you're not my real mother my

2626
01:28:59,990 --> 01:28:57,760
real parents my you're not my real

2627
01:29:01,669 --> 01:29:00,000
father my real parents live in this town

2628
01:29:03,430 --> 01:29:01,679
and they can name all of the all of the

2629
01:29:04,790 --> 01:29:03,440
other previous you know

2630
01:29:06,310 --> 01:29:04,800
family members that were from his

2631
01:29:08,229 --> 01:29:06,320
previous life they take the kid there

2632
01:29:09,669 --> 01:29:08,239
and he just names all of them could tell

2633
01:29:12,709 --> 01:29:09,679
him where the jewels were hidden stuff

2634
01:29:14,790 --> 01:29:12,719
details like that um

2635
01:29:17,669 --> 01:29:14,800
being coronation is and i'm getting off

2636
01:29:19,750 --> 01:29:17,679
the question reincarnation may be real

2637
01:29:21,669 --> 01:29:19,760
evidence points in that direction

2638
01:29:24,310 --> 01:29:21,679
our kids who are talking about imaginary

2639
01:29:25,830 --> 01:29:24,320
friends actually seeing a real being

2640
01:29:27,910 --> 01:29:25,840
that's possible i mean i can't rule that

2641
01:29:29,669 --> 01:29:27,920
out um yeah

2642
01:29:31,189 --> 01:29:29,679
you know definitely

2643
01:29:32,870 --> 01:29:31,199
i personally don't remember seeing

2644
01:29:35,510 --> 01:29:32,880
anything like that in my house but i

2645
01:29:38,790 --> 01:29:35,520
have i have a cousin who said with her

2646
01:29:40,470 --> 01:29:38,800
husband saw a beam of light in her house

2647
01:29:42,950 --> 01:29:40,480
come down from the ceiling i got like

2648
01:29:44,950 --> 01:29:42,960
this wide come down and a being stepped

2649
01:29:47,669 --> 01:29:44,960
out of it halfway

2650
01:29:49,510 --> 01:29:47,679
um in in her mind she said you know what

2651
01:29:50,950 --> 01:29:49,520
at first she was like i want to see you

2652
01:29:51,910 --> 01:29:50,960
she changed her mind i said please i

2653
01:29:53,350 --> 01:29:51,920
don't want to see it and the thing just

2654
01:29:55,510 --> 01:29:53,360
stepped back in and then closed back up

2655
01:29:57,270 --> 01:29:55,520
she said it was her and her husband so

2656
01:29:58,709 --> 01:29:57,280
oh my god

2657
01:30:00,149 --> 01:29:58,719
you know in that house i was always

2658
01:30:02,709 --> 01:30:00,159
afraid to go to that house it was the

2659
01:30:03,910 --> 01:30:02,719
scariest house as a kid oh my god oh my

2660
01:30:06,790 --> 01:30:03,920
god

2661
01:30:09,830 --> 01:30:06,800
that right there is terrifying uh can i

2662
01:30:11,990 --> 01:30:09,840
introduce one quick yeah i'm sorry

2663
01:30:13,750 --> 01:30:12,000
joe back to before you move on on that

2664
01:30:15,430 --> 01:30:13,760
one because i find it really interesting

2665
01:30:16,870 --> 01:30:15,440
i always see kind of back to the

2666
01:30:19,430 --> 01:30:16,880
perspective that we were talking about

2667
01:30:21,430 --> 01:30:19,440
earlier about end of life and being able

2668
01:30:23,990 --> 01:30:21,440
to see things and maybe are not there i

2669
01:30:27,189 --> 01:30:24,000
find it's like the bookends of life at

2670
01:30:29,350 --> 01:30:27,199
the beginning you seem to be very pure

2671
01:30:31,350 --> 01:30:29,360
of mine and i'm wondering that that

2672
01:30:33,990 --> 01:30:31,360
because i was looking into the inner

2673
01:30:37,030 --> 01:30:34,000
reincarnation cases as leslie keene

2674
01:30:39,189 --> 01:30:37,040
surviving death you know daco and stuff

2675
01:30:40,790 --> 01:30:39,199
so i i find those really interesting

2676
01:30:42,790 --> 01:30:40,800
because it's almost like

2677
01:30:46,870 --> 01:30:42,800
at the beginning and at the end

2678
01:30:48,790 --> 01:30:46,880
you gain some clarity of sorts so

2679
01:30:50,470 --> 01:30:48,800
yeah and is that intentional is that so

2680
01:30:52,870 --> 01:30:50,480
we can live our lives without that

2681
01:30:54,390 --> 01:30:52,880
distraction i don't know

2682
01:30:56,790 --> 01:30:54,400
there are other people

2683
01:30:58,709 --> 01:30:56,800
really quick story if you thought that

2684
01:31:00,629 --> 01:30:58,719
was scary here's another one

2685
01:31:03,350 --> 01:31:00,639
my first wife was a natural she was a

2686
01:31:05,590 --> 01:31:03,360
natural psychic and one day i brought

2687
01:31:07,910 --> 01:31:05,600
her to a church it was a it was an

2688
01:31:09,430 --> 01:31:07,920
evangelical i forget what it was but she

2689
01:31:10,790 --> 01:31:09,440
really didn't want to go i dragged her i

2690
01:31:12,149 --> 01:31:10,800
said listen my friend is singing in the

2691
01:31:14,149 --> 01:31:12,159
choir i want you to go with me she's

2692
01:31:16,229 --> 01:31:14,159
like okay so we went and as my friends

2693
01:31:18,790 --> 01:31:16,239
up there singing we're sitting there i

2694
01:31:22,390 --> 01:31:18,800
look over at my wife and she starts

2695
01:31:24,629 --> 01:31:22,400
crying and she looks so scared

2696
01:31:26,390 --> 01:31:24,639
and i'm like what the hell um she's got

2697
01:31:28,390 --> 01:31:26,400
tears coming down she's like

2698
01:31:30,629 --> 01:31:28,400
what tears coming down so

2699
01:31:33,189 --> 01:31:30,639
i waited till afterwards and

2700
01:31:34,550 --> 01:31:33,199
i said well what happened she's like

2701
01:31:35,750 --> 01:31:34,560
she goes

2702
01:31:38,950 --> 01:31:35,760
i saw this

2703
01:31:40,470 --> 01:31:38,960
this really nasty being on the altar and

2704
01:31:42,149 --> 01:31:40,480
it looked at me and it communicated

2705
01:31:43,669 --> 01:31:42,159
telepathically and said

2706
01:31:45,830 --> 01:31:43,679
i know you can see me and there's

2707
01:31:47,590 --> 01:31:45,840
absolutely nothing you can do about it

2708
01:31:49,030 --> 01:31:47,600
and it started gliding and it started

2709
01:31:51,350 --> 01:31:49,040
gliding towards her she said it looked

2710
01:31:52,870 --> 01:31:51,360
reptilian-like started gliding toward

2711
01:31:55,030 --> 01:31:52,880
her and then it just disappeared into

2712
01:31:56,870 --> 01:31:55,040
the preacher or the reverend then that's

2713
01:31:59,750 --> 01:31:56,880
when he went into his spiel pushing for

2714
01:32:01,990 --> 01:31:59,760
money like really exploded wow

2715
01:32:03,030 --> 01:32:02,000
it's like yeah and i i shook his hand

2716
01:32:04,229 --> 01:32:03,040
afterwards and i'm like why didn't you

2717
01:32:06,390 --> 01:32:04,239
tell me this before i shook his hand

2718
01:32:08,390 --> 01:32:06,400
what if the thing was still in him

2719
01:32:10,310 --> 01:32:08,400
um yeah it was and she had experiences

2720
01:32:13,189 --> 01:32:10,320
where we had some confirmation that what

2721
01:32:15,669 --> 01:32:13,199
she saw matched uh real quick it was a

2722
01:32:17,189 --> 01:32:15,679
house where this lady uh it was some we

2723
01:32:19,110 --> 01:32:17,199
were at some new age

2724
01:32:21,110 --> 01:32:19,120
get together and she says she whispers

2725
01:32:22,870 --> 01:32:21,120
she goes i see this really really tall

2726
01:32:26,149 --> 01:32:22,880
native american here like up to the

2727
01:32:28,470 --> 01:32:26,159
ceiling like nine feet tall

2728
01:32:30,550 --> 01:32:28,480
whispers it to me then we meet the owner

2729
01:32:32,790 --> 01:32:30,560
of the house who we didn't know and

2730
01:32:34,229 --> 01:32:32,800
she says so you know you have any spirit

2731
01:32:36,070 --> 01:32:34,239
guides here that's all she said and the

2732
01:32:37,910 --> 01:32:36,080
lady goes oh yeah i have a real really

2733
01:32:39,510 --> 01:32:37,920
tall native american here so it's like

2734
01:32:40,790 --> 01:32:39,520
confirmation

2735
01:32:42,390 --> 01:32:40,800
it doesn't prove anything but it's

2736
01:32:44,790 --> 01:32:42,400
confirmation that maybe what she was

2737
01:32:46,709 --> 01:32:44,800
seeing was in reality some other

2738
01:32:48,870 --> 01:32:46,719
dimension of something so yeah she's had

2739
01:32:51,030 --> 01:32:48,880
other experiences that's trippy it's

2740
01:32:53,669 --> 01:32:51,040
confirmation to me that i'm not going to

2741
01:32:55,590 --> 01:32:53,679
sleep tonight joe mergia and let me tell

2742
01:32:58,790 --> 01:32:55,600
you something man if ever we've had a

2743
01:33:01,910 --> 01:32:58,800
guest that had a mic drop moment times

2744
01:33:04,390 --> 01:33:01,920
three on this show that's you my friend

2745
01:33:05,350 --> 01:33:04,400
thanks guys yeah it's been fun i enjoyed

2746
01:33:07,510 --> 01:33:05,360
it

2747
01:33:10,709 --> 01:33:07,520
that those are mike trout moments let's

2748
01:33:11,830 --> 01:33:10,719
let the the cabbies go round and men uh

2749
01:33:12,629 --> 01:33:11,840
and i'll

2750
01:33:14,870 --> 01:33:12,639
i'll

2751
01:33:16,870 --> 01:33:14,880
i'm gonna i'm i'm still processing the

2752
01:33:19,270 --> 01:33:16,880
story akashi chris

2753
01:33:20,550 --> 01:33:19,280
oh i i just want to say thank you this

2754
01:33:23,110 --> 01:33:20,560
has been just

2755
01:33:25,510 --> 01:33:23,120
at so many levels it's been it's been

2756
01:33:27,510 --> 01:33:25,520
great for me and um getting to know you

2757
01:33:30,229 --> 01:33:27,520
and getting to know your stories and my

2758
01:33:32,149 --> 01:33:30,239
god there's so many you know you got so

2759
01:33:34,790 --> 01:33:32,159
many angles and you've done so many

2760
01:33:37,030 --> 01:33:34,800
things i'm just i i'm just glad you were

2761
01:33:38,950 --> 01:33:37,040
able to stop by and hang out with us

2762
01:33:40,229 --> 01:33:38,960
today and just share your perspectives

2763
01:33:44,310 --> 01:33:40,239
thank you

2764
01:33:45,990 --> 01:33:44,320
yeah i would echo that too joe i um

2765
01:33:49,830 --> 01:33:46,000
i always look forward to your

2766
01:33:50,709 --> 01:33:49,840
transcriptions and i do read your blog

2767
01:33:59,750 --> 01:33:50,719
i

2768
01:34:00,950 --> 01:33:59,760
um

2769
01:34:02,390 --> 01:34:00,960
i think

2770
01:34:03,669 --> 01:34:02,400
you know folks that have studied this

2771
01:34:05,110 --> 01:34:03,679
the longest

2772
01:34:07,350 --> 01:34:05,120
and you look at jacques fillet as a

2773
01:34:08,950 --> 01:34:07,360
great example yeah they don't land on

2774
01:34:10,709 --> 01:34:08,960
easy conclusions and i think that's

2775
01:34:12,070 --> 01:34:10,719
telling us something so you know i

2776
01:34:14,470 --> 01:34:12,080
applaud you for the work that you're

2777
01:34:17,510 --> 01:34:14,480
doing for really trying to suss out the

2778
01:34:19,669 --> 01:34:17,520
truth here and you know as well as

2779
01:34:21,430 --> 01:34:19,679
anyone how much it takes a group of

2780
01:34:22,310 --> 01:34:21,440
people to to figure this out it's a team

2781
01:34:25,030 --> 01:34:22,320
effort

2782
01:34:27,669 --> 01:34:25,040
and i hope you can count on us

2783
01:34:29,750 --> 01:34:27,679
as uh as allies in that effort if you

2784
01:34:33,270 --> 01:34:29,760
need anything just give us a shout

2785
01:34:34,550 --> 01:34:33,280
yeah great thank you thank you nathan

2786
01:34:38,070 --> 01:34:34,560
debs

2787
01:34:40,629 --> 01:34:38,080
um i wanted to say thank you also

2788
01:34:42,709 --> 01:34:40,639
not only for coming to talk to us but

2789
01:34:45,109 --> 01:34:42,719
for the people out there that i hear

2790
01:34:47,750 --> 01:34:45,119
from who are always praising your work

2791
01:34:49,990 --> 01:34:47,760
and saying go check out what he's got

2792
01:34:52,550 --> 01:34:50,000
you know and some of those people don't

2793
01:34:55,590 --> 01:34:52,560
have access to some materials that

2794
01:34:57,430 --> 01:34:55,600
you're providing transcripts for so

2795
01:35:03,350 --> 01:34:57,440
thank you very much

2796
01:35:03,360 --> 01:35:05,990
hi

2797
01:35:09,590 --> 01:35:07,830
is it my turn

2798
01:35:11,830 --> 01:35:09,600
okay i always got to make it awkward

2799
01:35:14,070 --> 01:35:11,840
back to you flair

2800
01:35:15,510 --> 01:35:14,080
well leo thank you for your content and

2801
01:35:17,270 --> 01:35:15,520
that's been a great episode either i had

2802
01:35:19,270 --> 01:35:17,280
a great time listening to you yeah

2803
01:35:21,830 --> 01:35:19,280
you're very insightful i appreciate all

2804
01:35:23,510 --> 01:35:21,840
the work since the 90s so i guess i've

2805
01:35:25,430 --> 01:35:23,520
got a lot to catch up as far as your

2806
01:35:26,830 --> 01:35:25,440
work i've got a lot of reading to do so

2807
01:35:29,750 --> 01:35:26,840
thank you for all

2808
01:35:31,350 --> 01:35:29,760
that it's one good thing about having an

2809
01:35:34,310 --> 01:35:31,360
obsessed obsessive compulsive

2810
01:35:36,390 --> 01:35:34,320
personality is this like obsessed over a

2811
01:35:38,870 --> 01:35:36,400
topic and stick with it yeah this has

2812
01:35:40,950 --> 01:35:38,880
been great man great discussion thanks

2813
01:35:41,750 --> 01:35:40,960
thank you

2814
01:35:43,830 --> 01:35:41,760
joe

2815
01:35:46,310 --> 01:35:43,840
you know we're basically like babes in

2816
01:35:49,590 --> 01:35:46,320
the woods compared to you i mean

2817
01:35:52,470 --> 01:35:49,600
we are in the infant stage of studying

2818
01:35:54,229 --> 01:35:52,480
this topic everybody on this panel is

2819
01:35:56,550 --> 01:35:54,239
compared to you i mean you're in this

2820
01:35:58,149 --> 01:35:56,560
over 20 years and that's why you're like

2821
01:35:59,910 --> 01:35:58,159
five more years you're like five years

2822
01:36:01,669 --> 01:35:59,920
ago i was thinking you know we might see

2823
01:36:04,070 --> 01:36:01,679
something in ten years i mean

2824
01:36:06,390 --> 01:36:04,080
so you you do add an incredible

2825
01:36:07,270 --> 01:36:06,400
perspective you have that og quality if

2826
01:36:09,990 --> 01:36:07,280
you will

2827
01:36:12,629 --> 01:36:10,000
that we don't have and we're extremely

2828
01:36:14,950 --> 01:36:12,639
grateful that you would come and share

2829
01:36:18,470 --> 01:36:14,960
as nathan said your wisdom and your

2830
01:36:20,149 --> 01:36:18,480
knowledge uh with us uh on uh when

2831
01:36:22,950 --> 01:36:20,159
people join us kind of we think they're

2832
01:36:25,510 --> 01:36:22,960
joining the cab family uh it's a it's a

2833
01:36:27,430 --> 01:36:25,520
welcoming sort of love environment if

2834
01:36:29,510 --> 01:36:27,440
you will some people might think that

2835
01:36:31,910 --> 01:36:29,520
sounds stupid that's okay

2836
01:36:34,310 --> 01:36:31,920
um and so we're greatly greatly

2837
01:36:36,310 --> 01:36:34,320
appreciative that you decided that uh

2838
01:36:38,790 --> 01:36:36,320
you would come in and share your

2839
01:36:39,830 --> 01:36:38,800
knowledge with us and uh i think we have

2840
01:36:42,870 --> 01:36:39,840
plenty

2841
01:36:44,149 --> 01:36:42,880
of meat on the bone for a round two in

2842
01:36:46,229 --> 01:36:44,159
in the future

2843
01:36:48,229 --> 01:36:46,239
so yeah definitely thanks thanks for

2844
01:36:49,910 --> 01:36:48,239
inviting me and sticking with it because

2845
01:36:52,149 --> 01:36:49,920
i was not responding because i was kind

2846
01:36:53,669 --> 01:36:52,159
of trying to cut back on shows because i

2847
01:36:55,109 --> 01:36:53,679
never have enough time to even work on

2848
01:36:56,870 --> 01:36:55,119
transcripts because they

2849
01:36:58,310 --> 01:36:56,880
take so long so yeah thank you for

2850
01:37:00,149 --> 01:36:58,320
sticking with it i'm glad i did it you

2851
01:37:02,790 --> 01:37:00,159
guys are great

2852
01:37:03,750 --> 01:37:02,800
it was an honor for uh nathan for akashi

2853
01:37:06,229 --> 01:37:03,760
chris

2854
01:37:07,350 --> 01:37:06,239
for kevin and for debs this is dj saying

2855
01:37:10,709 --> 01:37:07,360
peace out

2856
01:37:12,700 --> 01:37:10,719
one love and we'll see you down the road

2857
01:37:39,270 --> 01:37:12,710
peace